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MILITARY 'SPIED' ON RICE (More Able Danger leaks from Specter staffers)
NY Post ^ | 8/27/05 | NILES LATHEM

Posted on 08/27/2005 6:13:35 AM PDT by jimbo123

Cyber-sleuths working for a Pentagon intelligence unit that reportedly identified some of the 9/11 hijackers before the attack were fired by military officials, after they mistakenly pinpointed Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other prominent Americans as potential security risks, The Post has learned.

The private contractors working for the counter-terrorism unit Able Danger lost their jobs in May 2000. The firings following a series of analyses that Pentagon lawyers feared were dangerously close to violating laws banning the military from spying on Americans, sources said.

The Pentagon canceled its contract with the private firm shortly after the analysts — who were working on identifying al Qaeda operatives — produced a particularly controversial chart on proliferation of sensitive technology to China, the sources said.

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Sources said the private contractors, using sophisticated computer software that sifts through massive amounts of raw data to establish patterns, came up with a chart of Chinese strategic and business connections in the U.S.

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The China chart was put together by James Smith, who confirmed yesterday that his contract with the military was canceled and he was fired from his company because the military brass became concerned about the focus on U.S. citizens.

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"It was shut down in a matter of hours. The colonel said our service was no longer needed and told me: 'You just ended my career.' "

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(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; abledanger; atta; china; counterterrorism; gorelick; hillary; rice; specter
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To: neodad

Bill Gates ...


61 posted on 08/27/2005 7:24:11 AM PDT by sono
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To: jimbo123
controversial chart on proliferation of sensitive technology to China...

Hmmm...let's follow the chart: Al Gore gets illegal campaign funds from Chinese contributors in 1999--- and all of a sudden, Janet Reno doesn't investigate the Chinese "theft" of Top Secret US technology from Los Alamos. Then Sandy Berger is caught stealing the evidence. Now China is proudly showing off its menacing military prowess to the world...

Am I too far off? Anyway, I wonder which private firm did the analysis?

62 posted on 08/27/2005 7:27:30 AM PDT by melt ( Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: Peach

I got yhis e-mail from a talk show host whom I will not name, it isn't real clear as to how this connects but with the Condi stuff maybe in some convoluted way he may be onto something. Most of the e-mail:

"I appreciate your note. It is very possible --very possible-- that this
is a set-up to discredit the critics of Gorelick. Keep your powder dry. Plenty
of time to skin the hide if the facts bear it."

I don't get the connection yet.


63 posted on 08/27/2005 7:31:31 AM PDT by Mr Cobol (I can hear it now, Hi, I'm Hillary and I'm here to help.)
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To: Peach
Excellent article...thanks for the link! Unfortunately, I was nearly impervious to these level of politics during the Clinton W.H. and reading this explains more of what occured.

I'm amazed Jamie Gorelick was included on the 9/11 Commission, truly, amazed.

64 posted on 08/27/2005 7:32:01 AM PDT by BIRDS
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To: jimbo123

Robert Perry, former Secy. of Defense.


65 posted on 08/27/2005 7:34:07 AM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THESE TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: snowsislander
People are afraid that they cant cover up this story any more.

No..now its going to be STAGE MANAGED in the press...using leaks, misrepresentations, half truths, and innuendo. The intent is to precondition the story in the mind of the public...so that the public will tune out and turn off, thinking this was merely the military spying on joe sixpack.

This approach IMO was assured once the Senate Judiciary got into the act...in a dubious transfer of ownership in this investigation. Wheres Pat Roberts?

This is so predictable. Let me repeat my question...

Just how good WAS the Able Danger program?
66 posted on 08/27/2005 7:37:46 AM PDT by Dat Mon (still lookin for a good one....tagline)
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To: dts32041
I think they actually meant William Strange Cohen.

Rice would have been a minor player at the time.

Was Condi even in any government position during the clinton years? I don't think she came on board until GWB took office.

IIRC, she was the head of Stanford University at the time and she didn't have any say regarding government operations.

67 posted on 08/27/2005 7:40:30 AM PDT by Bob
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To: jimbo123; nightowl; Peach; ovrtaxt
On Ms Susan Rice. from Intelligence Failure. Let's go back to Sudan

Excerpt:

The Sudan story also shows that politics can override and policymakers ignore good intelligence. By 1996, Khartoum's enthusiasm for an ideological Islamic state had waned. Pragmatists were prevailing over ideologues. In February 1996, as The Washington Post has reported, Khartoum tried to cooperate on counter-terrorism. Sudan's minister of state for defense (now its U.N. ambassador), Maj. Gen. Elfatih Erwa, secretly visited the United States to propose a trade -- bin Laden's extradition to Saudi Arabia in return for an easing of political and economic sanctions. Riyadh refused.

Three months later, after offering to hand bin Laden over to U.S. authorities, Sudan expelled him, asDeputy National Security Adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger had urged. In July, Sudan gave U.S. authorities permission to photograph two terror camps. Washington failed to follow up. In August, Turabi sent an "olive branch" letter to President Clinton through Ijaz. There was no reply.

In October, Gutbi Al-Mahdi, Sudan's newly appointed, Western-educated intelligence chief, showed sensitive intelligence on terrorists tracked through Khartoum to one of us, Ijaz, to pass on to the Clinton administration. By election day 1996, top Clinton aides, including Berger, knew what information was available from Khartoum and of its potential value to identify, monitor and ultimately dismantle terrorist cells around the world. Yet they did nothing about it.

A further change took place in Sudanese thinking in April 1997. The government dropped its demand that Washington lift sanctions in exchange for terrorism cooperation. Sudan's president, in a letter that Ijaz delivered to U.S. authorities, offered FBI and CIA counter-terrorism units unfettered and unconditional access to Khartoum's intelligence.

Sudan's policy shift sparked a debate at the State Department, where foreign service officers believed the United States should reengage Khartoum. By the end of summer 1997, they persuaded incoming Secretary of State Madeleine Albright to let at least some diplomatic staff return to Sudan to press for a resolution of the civil war and pursue offers to cooperate on terrorism. A formal announcement was made in late September.

Two individuals, however, disagreed. NSC terrorism specialist Richard Clarke and NSC Africa specialist Susan Rice, who was about to become assistant secretary of State for African affairs, persuaded Berger, then national security adviser, to overrule Albright. The new policy was reversed after two days.

Overturning a months-long interagency process undermined U.S. counterterrorism efforts. In a final attempt to find a way of cooperating with U.S. authorities, Sudan's intelligence chief repeated the unconditional offer to share terrorism data with the FBI in a February 1998 letter addressed directly to Middle East and North Africa special agent-in-charge David Williams.But the White House and Susan Rice objected. On June 24, 1998, Williams wrote to Mahdi, saying he was "not in a position to accept your kind offer." The U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed six weeks later.

The Clinton administration modified its stance just before the USS Cole attack by sending FBI counterterrorism experts to Khartoum to look around. But it was all too little too late.

End excerpt

We don't know if S Rice was the one who was fingered by AD, but to me it looks like she ought to have been.

:)

68 posted on 08/27/2005 7:41:08 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Peach; Enchante; Lancey Howard; Mo1; kcvl; ravingnutter; cyncooper; All
Ooops Robert WILLIAM Perry.

That also means Bubba's ever faithful patron, Bernard Schwartz was on the list.

Playing National Security Games: The Karl Rove Mess-July 18, 2005

Excerpt:

Bernard Schwartz, Clinton pal and chairman of Loral Space & Communications, donated more than $1 million to the DNC, making him the committee’s largest donor. The Clinton administration with suspicious timing proceeded to, despite vehement warnings from his own intelligence and national security agencies, issue more than 350 waivers, largely beginning in 1996, to transfer American supercomputer technology to China. Before Clinton’s authorizations, China had received few clearances because those computers could be used to develop advanced nuclear weaponry.

In order to save money, Schwartz and Loral also taught China how to keep their rockets from crashing and basically shaved close to twenty years off their technology learning curve. China's rockets can now carry satellites into orbit and those same rockets can be quickly refitted to carry thermonuclear weaponry. Republicans screamed bloody murder, as these kind of careless, politically expedient decisions almost always tend to come back later and bite us in the ass.

So at one point Chinese missiles couldn't hit the side of a barn, then they were carrying sophisticated payloads into space, every time. China General Xiong soon after made headlines when he told a US academic: "Americans care more about Los Angeles than Taiwan." That in response to Clinton's sending two aircraft carriers to the western Pacific to counter Chinese missile tests off Taiwan.

Someone saw this coming and we’re now watching a who's-more-serious-about-national-security reality series. Certain people who thought they were in the clear, will have a lot of explaining to do when Taiwan issues their next middle finger to Beijing and we have to decide whether to back their independence or risk a nuclear confrontation and back off.

Joe and Valerie who…?

69 posted on 08/27/2005 7:45:19 AM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THESE TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: jimbo123
Because of what Able Danger found out about Chinagate, the Clintonites killed all their work (including their findings on Atta). They hid the Al Qaeda findings to protect Clinton's China treason. Now 3,000 people are dead because of it.

EXCELLENT and concise summation ... and, I fear, right on the button.

70 posted on 08/27/2005 7:46:48 AM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THESE TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: jimbo123

3,000 on 9/11 are dead, and 1,850 +/-, and counting, in the war in Iraq are dead because bubba shut down Able Danger. And the nerve they have to say W lied. They are evil, treasonous, hypocritical lying b*st*rds and they need to be dealt with severely.


71 posted on 08/27/2005 7:48:43 AM PDT by stickywillie
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To: jimbo123
(More Able Danger leaks from Spector staffers)

Obviously they are looking for magic bullets.

72 posted on 08/27/2005 7:53:09 AM PDT by dts32041 (Shinkichi: Massuer, did you see that? Zatôichi: I don't see much)
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To: nightowl

Susan Rice was also an advisor to the Kerry campaign, writes on Huffington's blog...

I agree that she is "some piece of work," an embarrassment ot the Rice surname in general, IMO.


73 posted on 08/27/2005 7:53:12 AM PDT by BIRDS
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To: G.Mason

Well in the hearings you cite, we depended on the leftist-MSM to draw the conclusions for us. I intend to draw my own conclusions this time.

The hearings will lead to more REAL information through sworn testimony, we can then use that to search for more facts, that will lead to conclusions that the leftist-MSM may not want to draw. With our new found megaphone, the Internet, we can draw our own conclusions and tell the world. Do you think AD is being driven by the MSM today?

Times change, in the old days the Democrats could spout the lies, the leftist-MSM would parrot the lies until they became truths. Someone needs to inform the Democrats their parrot is dead.


74 posted on 08/27/2005 7:53:22 AM PDT by Tarpon
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To: Bob

As I wrote earlier, she (Condoleezza Rice) was a Charles Schulz "protege," so to speak, someone he moreorless mentored...Hoover Institute at Stanford and all.

Schulz is the person who introduced Condoleezza Rice to now President Bush prior to his run for the Presidency.


75 posted on 08/27/2005 7:56:17 AM PDT by BIRDS
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To: dts32041
Obviously they are looking for magic bullets.

Obviously they are trying to discredit those who are coming forward by trying to get the public to believe that AD was nothing but bunk.

Beware the gorilla dust, because the political class was seen recently buying it in dump truck sized quantities. Before AD is over, you will probably need to wear your hazard materials suits, the air will be that thick with gorilla dust.

76 posted on 08/27/2005 7:57:35 AM PDT by Tarpon
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To: Peach; Enchante; Lancey Howard; Mo1; kcvl; ravingnutter; cyncooper; All
Great link, Peach and worth excerpting:

How Chinagate Led to 9/11- May 24, 2004

Gorelick’s appointment to the job at Justice in 1994 occurred during a period in which the FBI had begun to systematically investigate technology theft by foreign powers. For the first time, these investigations singled out the U.S. chemical, telecommunications, aircraft and aerospace industries for intelligence collection.

By the time Gorelick wrote the March 1995 memo that sealed off American intelligence agencies from each other and the outside world, all of the most critical Chinagate investigations by American intelligence agencies were already underway. Some of their findings were damning:

* In an investigation originally instigated by the CIA, the FBI was beginning its search for the source of the leak of W-88 nuclear warhead technology to China among the more than 1,000 people who had access to the secrets. Despite Justice Department stonewalling and the Department’s refusal to seek wiretap authority in 1997, the investigation eventually led to Wen Ho Lee and the Los Alamos National Laboratory.

* The FBI first collected extensive evidence in 1995 linking illegal Democratic Party donations to China, according to the Congressional Record. But Congress and the Director of the CIA didn’t find out about the Justice Department’s failure to act upon that evidence until 1997, safely after the 1996 election.

* According to classified CIA documents leaked to the Washington Times, between 1994 and 1997, the CIA learned that China sold Iran missile technology, a nuclear fission reactor, advanced air-defense radar and chemical agents. The Chinese also provided 5,000 ring magnets to Pakistan, used in producing weapons-grade uranium. The Chinese also provided uranium fuel for India's reactors.

In many cases the CIA resorted to leaking classified information to the media, in an effort to bypass the administration’s blackout.

Gorelick knew these facts well. While Clinton may have refused to meet with top CIA officials, Gorelick didn’t. According to a 1996 report by the legal news service American Lawyer Media, Gorelick and then-Deputy Director of the CIA George Tenet met every other week to discuss intelligence and intelligence sharing.

But those in the Clinton administration weren’t the only ones to gain from the secrecy. In 1994, the McDonnell Douglas Corporation transferred military-use machine tools to the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation that ended up in the hands of the Chinese army. The sale occurred despite Defense Department objections. McDonnell Douglas was a client of the Miller Cassidy Larroca & Lewin, L.L.P. (now called Baker Botts), the Washington, D.C., law firm where Gorelick worked for 17 years and was a partner. Ray Larroca, another partner in the firm, represented McDonnell in the Justice Department’s investigation of the technology transfer.

In 1995, General Electric, a former client of Gorelick’s, also had much to lose if the damaging information the CIA and the FBI had reached Congress. At the time, GE was publicly lobbying for a lucrative permit to assist the Chinese in replacing coal-fired power stations with nuclear plants. A 1990 law required that the president certify to Congress that China was not aiding in nuclear proliferation before U.S. companies could execute the business agreement.

Moreover, in 1995, Michael Armstrong, then the CEO of Hughes Electronics – a division of General Electric and another client of Miller Cassidy Larroca & Lewin – was publicly lobbying Clinton to switch satellite export controls from the State Department to the Commerce Department. After the controls were lifted, Hughes and another company gave sensitive data to the Chinese, equipment a Pentagon study later concluded would allow China to develop intercontinental and submarine-launched ballistic missiles aimed at American targets. Miller Cassidy Larroca & Lewin partner Randall Turk represented Hughes in the Congressional, State Department, and Justice Department investigations that resulted.

The Cox Report, which detailed Chinese espionage for Congress during the period, revealed that FBI surveillance caught Chinese officials frantically trying to keep Democratic donor Johnny Chung from divulging any information that would be damaging to Hughes Electronics. Chung funneled $300,000 in illegal contributions from the Chinese military to the DNC between 1994 and 1996.

It was this web of investigations that led Gorelick and Bill Clinton to erect the wall between intelligence agencies that resulted in the toppling of the Twin Towers. The connections go on and on, but they all lead back to Gorelick, the one person who could best explain how the Clinton administration neutered the American intelligence agencies that could have stopped the September 11 plot. Yet another high crime will have been committed if the September 11 Commission doesn’t demand testimony from her.

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THIS INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE BLASTED FROM RUSH, O'REILLY, HANNITY, ETC.!!! Someone in the Congress needs to take up the gauntlet and open investigations. I wish Christoper Cox wasn't going to the SEC.

77 posted on 08/27/2005 7:57:54 AM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THESE TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: jimbo123
Their keepers blew it.

In the Clintonista play-book all roads were SUPPOSED to lead to Right-Wing White Supremacists.

78 posted on 08/27/2005 8:00:13 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: jimbo123
"Who else was on the China chart?"

NO ...No....no....... WHAT was on the china charts.

Like :

Bank account numbers

Money transfers

DOCUMENTS....take your pick:

A)....PDF files of nuclear weapons drawings.

B) Multiple re-entry technology

C)....Pajama Brigade to complete.....

79 posted on 08/27/2005 8:01:47 AM PDT by spokeshave (Strategery + Shardenfreuden = Stratenshardenfreudenery)
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To: petitfour
Hmmmmm. Private contractors spying on US citizens during the Clinton admin?

You nailed it. That is what is the heart of this whole thing. Clinton had military units spying on the citizens of the country.

They could not allow the information to be used because it would reveal what was going on, both domestic and foreign.

80 posted on 08/27/2005 8:02:31 AM PDT by mware (Trollhunter of Note)
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