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Beyond the Fish Wars (Intelligent Design is Bad Theology)
San Francisco Gate ^ | 8/25/2005 | Rev. Jim Burklo

Posted on 08/25/2005 3:17:05 PM PDT by curiosity

We've seen the little symbols on the backs of cars: The "Jesus fish" and the "Darwin fish." The Jesus fish eating the Darwin fish. The Darwin fish eating the Jesus fish. It makes for entertainment while commuting, but this front of the culture wars won't be won or lost on the freeway.

The creationists realized that they were not getting enough traction in their bumper- sticker campaign against the theory of evolution. So biblical literalists have come up with a new strategy: leave the word "God" out of the public argument, and come up with one that sounds more scientific. It's called "intelligent design." President Bush has endorsed it as one of the theories of life's origins that should be taught in public schools.

But it isn't a theory at all. "Intelligent design" posits that the structure of life is so complex and delicate that it is unimaginable that it could have come into existence without having been designed by some intelligent force. Therefore such an intelligence must be responsible for it. But this is a conclusion that can be reached only by assuming that it is true in the first place -- a classic tautology, or example of circular reasoning, which has no place in science.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: allcrevoallthetime; anothercrevothread; christianity; crevolist; crevorepublic; darwinism; enoughalready; evolution; groan; intelligentdesign; makeitstop; notagain; religion
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1 posted on 08/25/2005 3:17:05 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

Yeah, like anyone who believes in God is going to get their theology from San Francisco.


2 posted on 08/25/2005 3:18:30 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Hey Senator! Leave those kids alone!)
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To: curiosity

The San Francesspool has a problem with God. Breaking news.


3 posted on 08/25/2005 3:19:08 PM PDT by PeterFinn (The Holocaust was perfectly legal.)
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To: narby; Varda; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; PatrickHenry; marron; D-fendr; Junior; Aquinasfan; ...

Faith and Science Ping.


4 posted on 08/25/2005 3:19:33 PM PDT by curiosity (.)
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To: curiosity

blah. I durnt theenk dis is up ta snuff.


5 posted on 08/25/2005 3:21:14 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: PeterFinn

The San Francesspool has a problem with God. Breaking news.
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Yes, and I can understand why. Even God could not have dreamed-up and created the FREAKS that inhabit that cesspool of perversion.


6 posted on 08/25/2005 3:24:18 PM PDT by EagleUSA (w)
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To: curiosity
So biblical literalists have come up with a new strategy . . .

Yup, already the writer is being tendentious, in the second paragraph. The ID folks (whether or not they're right) acknowledge deep geological time, and some of them also acknowledge descent from a common ancestor. They're not young Earth creationists; they're not wedded to a literal reading of Genesis.

Anyway, you see this kind of argument regularly. The NY Times indulged in this just the other day in an editorial that suggested that ID proponents just don't appreciate deep geological time.

7 posted on 08/25/2005 3:24:26 PM PDT by megatherium (anti-tobacco is pro-life)
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To: EagleUSA

Amen. Whenever I have to drive through SF I make sure to have my asbestos windshield wipers on the car just in case brimstone starts raining down from Heaven.


8 posted on 08/25/2005 3:26:52 PM PDT by PeterFinn (The Holocaust was perfectly legal.)
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To: curiosity

His church:

http://www.edithere.com/spc/stories/storyReader$11


9 posted on 08/25/2005 3:27:39 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: curiosity

I don't think this writer understands either religion or science. Evidently he got his reverendship from some sort of mail order divinity school.


10 posted on 08/25/2005 3:28:20 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: bnelson44
Alright, so he's not particularly orthodox. He makes some good points nontheless.
11 posted on 08/25/2005 3:34:35 PM PDT by curiosity (.)
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To: curiosity

ID Theory in a nutshell....There is order in the universe so there must be an Intelligent Designer.


12 posted on 08/25/2005 3:35:21 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: megatherium

"Yup, already the writer is being tendentious, in the second paragraph. The ID folks (whether or not they're right) acknowledge deep geological time, and some of them also acknowledge descent from a common ancestor. They're not young Earth creationists; they're not wedded to a literal reading of Genesis."

Did you RTFA? He criticizes Intelligent Design as a tautology that explains nothing. That didn't require any kind of straw man.


13 posted on 08/25/2005 3:35:25 PM PDT by Moral Hazard ("Now therefore kill every male among the little ones" - Numbers 31:17)
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To: megatherium
Good point, the article has some flaws, and you pointed out one. It makes some good points nonetheless.
14 posted on 08/25/2005 3:37:18 PM PDT by curiosity (.)
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To: curiosity

Likewise, the theory of evolution doesn't detract from our sense of awe and divine humility in the face of the miracle that is life. On the contrary. It's even more awesome, even more humbling, even more divinely majestic to consider that all this living diversity emerged from something akin to random trial and error. To consider that a rose is a result of such a prosaic process: what a marvel! And to think that trial and error, survival of the fittest, led to the human experience of awe ... this, too, is divine. I associate God with my experience of holy wonder, rather than thinking of God as an "intelligent designer" who exists apart from the universe, tinkering with it from afar. Evolution just gives me one more reason to be awestruck.

He "Get's It."

15 posted on 08/25/2005 3:37:46 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: curiosity

Great post. Thanks.


16 posted on 08/25/2005 3:38:12 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: curiosity
But it isn't a theory at all. "Intelligent design" posits that the structure of life is so complex and delicate that it is unimaginable that it could have come into existence without having been designed by some intelligent force. Therefore such an intelligence must be responsible for it. But this is a conclusion that can be reached only by assuming that it is true in the first place -- a classic tautology, or example of circular reasoning, which has no place in science.

Less so than the opposite.

...And as broadly defined as the author described, it is merely a debate of context.

Doesn't ID generally include a more specific idea than that? If not, then it is a stupid argument to engage in until one has decided whether there A) is a God, and B) said God is interactive.

This leads me to believe that the author starts off by misstating the argument and goes off into the wild blue yonder from there.

17 posted on 08/25/2005 3:40:12 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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"Yeah, like anyone who believes in God is going to get their theology from San Francisco."

right now, I'm just glad I hadn't just taken a drink when I read your post...


18 posted on 08/25/2005 3:45:02 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF (Ret.))
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To: lepton
Doesn't ID generally include a more specific idea than that?

Depends on whose version.

Behe claims that it is impossible for "irreducibly complex" biological systems to have evolved. From this he concludes they must have been designed.

19 posted on 08/25/2005 3:45:49 PM PDT by curiosity (.)
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To: Old Student

The most common procedure is to have a few drinks, and then try to make sense of my posts.


20 posted on 08/25/2005 3:49:22 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Hey Senator! Leave those kids alone!)
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