Trinational Elites Map North American Future in "NAFTA Plus"

IRC Americas ^ | August 24, 2005 | By Miguel Pickard

[Modernman]

Where'd you take this last one? The area looks familiar.

[1rudeboy]

Hillsdale, Michigan. A bunch of Young Republicans and Future Farmers of America and I were protesting in favor of reducing tariffs on our goods exports. [chuckle]

Seriously, looks like Quebec FTAA 2001 to me . . . check the flags.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

BTTT. I won't be able to read it all today. I think I'll put it in my links, however. I personally like the idea of greater freedom to travel and trade between us and Canada (I don't know about Mexico, however; that place is a mess, and I'm not sure free trade is the cause).

The thing is, though, it shouldn't be done behind everyone's back. Let the people decide through their Parliaments, Congress, referenda, Constitutional amendments if necessary, and so on. After all, just because it sounds neat to me doesn't mean it's right. Others may know stuff I don't know, and so on...

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

The idea is simple: to keep the United States from shutting its border with Canada, there should be no border. Canada would need to progressively take steps to “erase” the border by harmonizing its policies, laws, norms, procedures, techniques, methods, and, most importantly, intelligence and security measures to American standards. Above all, Canada would have to demonstrate to the United States that it was as “secure” in the face of external threats as the United States itself, in order for the latter to agree to “disappear” the border for trade traffic.

Oh, horse hockey. All we would need is intelligence-sharing and a bilateral perimeter security arrangement, as well as a bilateral treaty on getting rid of terrorists, illegals, and others who wish to do us harm. Then people could come and go to each other's countries as they please. No need to create "Amerida."

[hedgetrimmer]

They don't really see that the nation as a whole is in pretty damn good shape these days.

You don't get out much do you? Our border is in shambles, our property rights have been struck down by the supreme court, our infrastructure is falling apart, we can't drill for our own oil, mine our own minerals and now retain our water rights for farming and ranching because the federal government is grabbing water and land left and right.

We have soviet union style speech laws and housing blocs going up in all our cities under "smart growth".

We have a bunch of politicians who want to merge the entire western hemipshere with all the other socialist, communist and totalitarian dictatorships here with the expectation that the beleagured American taxpayer will be willing to pick up the bill to social engineer these countries into something that they're not.

If you think this is great shape for a free country you are sadly mistaken.

[dljordan]

This isn't true, I heard it right here on FR. You're trying to create dissension to weaken America's resolve. :)

[Clemenza]

So, do you still have all that gold that Art Bell told you to buy before Y2K was going to wreak havoc on our way of life.

[Modernman]

We have a bunch of politicians who want to merge the entire western hemipshere with all the other socialist, communist and totalitarian dictatorships here with the expectation that the beleagured American taxpayer will be willing to pick up the bill to social engineer these countries into something that they're not.

You, sir, have de-railed.

[Heartofsong83]

That's sort of what I think...if Canada (minus socialist Quebec who would be a major liability for any nation) wants to go ahead and sign the Constitution, province by province, I don't see why not...

[Toddsterpatriot]

Oh I didn't know my free speech hinged on your permission!

But 1rudeboy, Mase and others don't want American citizens to have free speech, I guess.

11 posted on 08/12/2005 1:22:21 PM CDT by hedgetrimmer

What country did you say you hailed from?

That'd be the one with the unemployment rate of 5%, 4% GDP growth which allows you whiners to whine.

[Toddsterpatriot]

When we are trading away our schools, housing and welfare system to get it?

The schools in my neighborhood are still here. Have yours been packed up and shipped away? That's sad. We still have houses in my neighborhood too.

I wish we could trade our welfare system. Maybe we could start a much cheaper one in its place.

[hedgetrimmer]

The schools in my neighborhood are still here

Really? And how many of the students are noncitizens whose parents broke the law by bringing them here, whose education is paid for by taxpaying property owning citizens ?

Or do you live in a neighborhood sans illegal immigrants?

[hedgetrimmer]

So, do you still have all that gold that Art Bell told you to buy before Y2K

You can't defend your position, so you want to throw insults too?

[hedgetrimmer]

That'd be the one with diminishing sovereignty, lost property rights, massive trade deficit and a bunch of globalist sellouts in public office?

[hedgetrimmer]

You sir, have never read the FTAA? Or the CAFTA? The goal of the CAFTA is to establish the FTAA. The goal of the FTAA is to integrate the US with the 33 other countries in the western hemisphere. Venezuela is a communist country, Ecuador is very far left. Colombia is ruled by drug lords. Peru has the Shining path communists running around wreaking havoc. The State department is sending significant money down to these countries to position them to sign the FTAA. The USTR is sending significant money to these countries for "trade capacity building". The Inter-American development bank offers loans to countries that change their social system. Nothing I stated previously is untrue.

If you would stop drinking the "free trade" koolaid and start paying attention to current events and our government, you would not throw your insults so lightly.

[Modernman]

Really? And how many of the students are noncitizens whose parents broke the law by bringing them here, whose education is paid for by taxpaying property owning citizens ?

In my neighborhood? Few,if any. As is the case in most American neighborhoods.

Illegals are a problem, but even if we take the overinflated number of 20 million, that is still a very small percentage of the American population.

[Modernman]

You sir, have never read the FTAA? Or the CAFTA? The goal of the CAFTA is to establish the FTAA. The goal of the FTAA is to integrate the US with the 33 other countries in the western hemisphere.

Sure. I'm familiar with all of those agreements, to some extent. None of them seek to create any sort of political union. We're talking about free trade organizations here.

Venezuela is a communist country, Ecuador is very far left. Colombia is ruled by drug lords. Peru has the Shining path communists running around wreaking havoc.

Venezuela is not going to sign any sort of free trade deal so long as Chavez is in power. I'm not familiar with Ecuador's politics, but what does that have to do with trade? Columbia is a staunch American ally, despite its problems. What do Peru's insurgent problems have to do with trade, anyway?

The State department is sending significant money down to these countries to position them to sign the FTAA. The USTR is sending significant money to these countries for "trade capacity building". The Inter-American development bank offers loans to countries that change their social system.

And your point is?

If you would stop drinking the "free trade" koolaid and start paying attention to current events and our government, you would not throw your insults so lightly.

No. The reason I am so able to dismiss you is because I understand the goal of free trade in the Western Hemisphere. There is no insidious plot to create some sort of unified state in this hemisphere.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Really? And how many of the students are noncitizens whose parents broke the law by bringing them here, whose education is paid for by taxpaying property owning citizens ?

Not many. I think illegals should be deported. I don't think we should pay for the education of their children either.

Or do you live in a neighborhood sans illegal immigrants?

The nearest illegals are probably a few neighborhoods away.

[Toddsterpatriot]

That'd be the one with diminishing sovereignty,

So you keep spouting, with no evidence.

lost property rights,

That is a problem.

massive trade deficit

Which hasn't managed to stop our growth. And don't forget that 5% unemployment.

and a bunch of globalist sellouts in public office?

Yeah, but Ted Kennedy will die eventually.

[hedgetrimmer]

You don't understand the goal of "free trade" at all, or you are ignoring it.

Have you read the preamble to the CAFTA and the FTAA at all?

From CAFTA:

CONTRIBUTE to hemispheric integration and provide an impetus toward establishing the Free Trade Area of the Americas;