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Evangelist backs off Chavez assassination call
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 8/24/05 | Reuters

Posted on 08/24/2005 10:35:22 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conservative U.S. evangelist Pat Robertson, who called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, said on Wednesday he was misinterpreted and there were a number of ways to "take him out" including kidnapping.

"I said our special forces could take him out. Take him out could be a number of things including kidnapping," Robertson said on his "The 700 Club" television program.

"There are a number of ways of taking out a dictator from power besides killing him. I was misinterpreted," Robertson added.

Robertson, the founder of the Christian Coalition and a presidential candidate in 1988, said on Monday of Chavez, one of Bush's most vocal critics: "If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it."

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability." He made the comments during his "The 700 Club" television program.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Tuesday dismissed Robertson's remarks, but the White House remained silent despite calls for repudiation from Venezuela and religious leaders including the Rev. Jesse Jackson.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack called "without fact and baseless" any ideas of hostile action against Chavez or Venezuela.

The leftist Chavez has often accused the United States of plotting his overthrow or assassination. Alongside Cuban President Fidel Castro in Havana on Sunday, Chavez scoffed at the idea that he and Castro were destabilizing troublemakers.

Chavez survived a short-lived coup in 2002 that he says was backed by the United States. Washington denies involvement.

Venezuelan officials said Robertson's remarks, while those of a private citizen, took on more significance given his ties to President George W. Bush's Christian-right supporters.

"Mr Robertson has been one of this president's staunchest allies. His statement demands the strongest condemnation by the White House," Venezuela's ambassador to the United States Bernardo Alvarez said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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To: Types_with_Fist
You can't just disagree, can you? No. You have to insinuate, denigrate, conjur and put words in other people's mouths.

Well! You couldn't just disagree either could you? Your last post to me was NOT nice..it was a personal attack as most of your posts to me are. From the first to the last..you never try to understand where I am "coming from" you seem more interested in one-ups-manship.

Expressing thoughts in writing is difficult enough for me without being slandered by the likes of you..do you expect me to believe you were only giving an update for my benefit? That is highly unlikely.

Diatribe done.

If you truly are a Christian..your posts would suggest so..than I say we get this out of our system and start over. I've formed some good friendships in real life that have had rockier beginnings..

If Mr. Robertson can do it, so can we.

My heartfelt apologies for the misunderstanding.

121 posted on 08/24/2005 2:25:27 PM PDT by Iron Matron (Illegals should be Caught and Deported; not Released and Supported!)
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To: Iron Matron
If you truly are a Christian..your posts would suggest so..than I say we get this out of our system and start over. I've formed some good friendships in real life that have had rockier beginnings..

Okay... fair enough. I guess your saying I support Chavez ticked me off some. That's just not the case, I assure you. I appreciate the considerate words and I do not want to attack or slander you. I'm also not interested in one-upsmanship.

I'll take responsibility for the argument going bad between us as it was me who responded to your comment first. Okay?

I think I do understand somewhat where you are coming from -- at least I'm trying to do so. I'm not as self-righteous as you might think. My problem with Pat is that he is supposed to represent Christians. He chose this as his vocation. So, from my perspective, he has a responsibility. Pastors in his church (from which he resigned before his presidential run) are just as aghast as I am that he said what he did.

That's my only argument. I understand you disagree. That's fine. I'll tone it down and hope you do the same.

You're right about seeing things in print. Emotions can be misconstrued. I was posting the link because it was an update to the story. It wasn't for your benefit but... everyone's. I was just too lazy to got to the original poster's name on the previous page.

122 posted on 08/24/2005 2:36:53 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: frankjones
He made a stupid comment, and YES he should own up to it that he said it. I do not like nor respect Pat Robertson!

Good for you, Mr. "Since 2005-08-18."

123 posted on 08/24/2005 2:53:54 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad (Cindy Sheehan = Tokyo Rose 2005.)
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To: frankjones

Hey Frank! We don't like or respect you and you will be Zotted!!


124 posted on 08/24/2005 2:55:24 PM PDT by DarthVader (Islam is not something to be understood, it is something that must be utterly destroyed)
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To: badbass

Who determines when a threat requires assassination?

In the case of Chavez, what has he actually done, that is deserving of assassination?

I guess though, that if abortion is legal, then there certainly can't be anything illegal with having our own 007s.


126 posted on 08/24/2005 4:57:00 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: billbears

It appears that the taking of a human life is relative....along with almost everything else that many consider to be wrong.


127 posted on 08/24/2005 5:00:58 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Iron Matron

If people can't agree on religions, how can they determine if God's law has been broken?

It seems that killing is pretty relative.


128 posted on 08/24/2005 5:03:25 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Iron Matron

When there are sometimes justifications, then they become relative to the situation.

Why do people dislike relativism so much? It appears to be all around us...


129 posted on 08/24/2005 5:06:46 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: NormsRevenge

So, Pat is saying it all depends on the meaning of "it".


130 posted on 08/24/2005 5:32:42 PM PDT by Quick1
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To: Iron Matron
Sorry. It is the way I've read and understood that commandment for many years

We can argue semantics until doomsday. The fact is that the commandment means don't kill your fellow man, either physically or as Christ was speaking, even emotionally. Now is state sponsored killing through war, assassination, foreign policy, etc. a form of murder? I wouldn't want to stand before God and try to argue that it's not. There's enough evidence to present the contrary view that it may be. All you've done is justify murder as killing because it was done for a 'patriotic' cause. Only self-defensive killing would be just. And killing off, or suggesting that world leaders should be killed off is not much short of arguing state sponsored murder, not self defense.

Chavez is building arms against us..has threatened us.

Sure he is. I bet that's where Saddam secreted the WMDs to isn't it....

131 posted on 08/24/2005 5:36:04 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: NormsRevenge
"I meant we could take him out to the ball game...

Come on, everybody sing along..."

132 posted on 08/24/2005 5:39:44 PM PDT by william clark
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To: wideawake

True. He should stand up and be proud of what he said, or apologize. This mealy-mouthedness is distressingly liberalesque.


133 posted on 08/24/2005 8:37:33 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: billbears

> Now is state sponsored killing through war, assassination, foreign policy, etc. a form of murder? I wouldn't want to stand before God and try to argue that it's not.

Wow, have you even READ the Old Testament?

A nation that upheld God certainly was within its rights to defend itself and kill if necessary. You better go back and read Numbers.


134 posted on 08/24/2005 8:45:27 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: VictoryGal
A nation that upheld God certainly was within its rights to defend itself and kill if necessary

Wow, I believe I have READ the Old Testament. And I wouldn't want to try to argue that any war this nation has been involved in for at least the past 40 years was in any way self-defensive (because except perhaps Afghanistan they weren't). Nor would I want to stand before God Almighty and argue that killing Chavez was somehow self-defensive either.

I would suggest you go back and reread the entire Bible.

135 posted on 08/25/2005 6:41:13 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: VictoryGal

Is the death of innocent people due to collateral damage OK?


136 posted on 08/25/2005 7:22:29 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: billbears

It has occured to me, that when the bible was written, the idea of self-defense, and even war, was pretty much a man-to-man situation. Do you think God meant, by self-defense, that it should only be individuals...or is modern warfare, with carpet-bombing, and lots of collateral damage to civilians, OK with God?


137 posted on 08/25/2005 7:28:14 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: NormsRevenge
My reply would be similiar to this:
"I made a comment that isnt in line with Christ's teaching and for that I am deeply sorry. I wish to apologize to everyone and would like to ask for your pardon in saying what I did.

In my position, I should be calling for all our viewers and other followers in Christ to pray for Chavez' salvation and realization that his ideology will only promote evil and suffering. It is not my position to promote assasinations of foreign leaders regardless how they obtained power. Thank you."


Not that I disagree with a plot to remove leaders dangerous to America...its just Pat needs to know that in his position, he is a leader for Christ...not a policy maker for Washington.

Myweighin.com - my pet project
138 posted on 08/25/2005 7:35:38 AM PDT by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: stuartcr
In the case of Chavez, what has he actually done, that is deserving of assassination?

If I've heard correctly, he was babbling about nukes at some point recently. I dunno..., all I can tell you is what I'd do if I were Prez. People start talking nukes against the U.S., they move up on the list of people who might have a plane or automobile crash. I think it's time America started listening when people tell us they want to kill us. But I'm old fashioned that way.

139 posted on 08/25/2005 8:02:17 AM PDT by badbass
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To: badbass

Lots of people babble, and lots of people are full of hot air, but it doesn't mean they deserve a death penalty. Just think if we would have taken that approach with Russia back when Kruschev was pounding the table....that threat turned out to be hollow.


140 posted on 08/25/2005 8:17:24 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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