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1 posted on 08/23/2005 2:59:57 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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Wake me when the trains are loaded up heading back to Mexico. Until then I wont be holding my breath.


88 posted on 08/23/2005 4:59:48 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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"We have decided to stand back and take a look at how we address the problem and solve it once and for all,"

Gee, Mike, why the hurry? You guys have only had five years to think about it. Government-issued BS.

94 posted on 08/23/2005 5:13:17 PM PDT by janetgreen (CLOSE THE MEXICAN BORDER!)
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Less talk,more action on illegal immigration would mean something. Its getting to the point I don't believe the administration when they talk about controlling it.

It seems that President Foxx is running the show in D.C. and Bush is out to lunch.


97 posted on 08/23/2005 5:20:01 PM PDT by puppypusher
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Sounds about as credible as "I have no more territorial demands in Europe."


101 posted on 08/23/2005 5:43:01 PM PDT by fallujah-nuker (Atque ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appelant)
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How do I doubt this?


Let me count the ways . . . . . . . . . .

Standing back and assessing the situation is hardly anything new. The feds have been standing back and assessing the situation for decades, that's why we have an estimated 12 million illegals in this country. When you parse Chertoff's comments, all he is saying is that the Bush Administration will continue to carry Vicente Fox's water for him and continue to do nothing about illegal immigration.


102 posted on 08/23/2005 5:48:05 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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How do I doubt this?


Let me count the ways . . . . . . . . . .

Standing back and assessing the situation is hardly anything new. The feds have been standing back and assessing the situation for decades, that's why we have an estimated 12 million illegals in this country. When you parse Chertoff's comments, all he is saying is that the Bush Administration will continue to carry Vicente Fox's water for him and continue to do nothing about illegal immigration.


105 posted on 08/23/2005 5:55:28 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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I hope y'all don't mind if I don't hold my breath on this one.


107 posted on 08/23/2005 5:59:05 PM PDT by P8riot (Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.)
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Amazing. I'll believe it when I see it.........but......


108 posted on 08/23/2005 6:01:09 PM PDT by RightOnline
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"We have decided to stand back and take a look at how we address the problem and solve it once and for all," Chertoff said during a breakfast meeting with reporters.

Nothing new here. Move along.

112 posted on 08/23/2005 6:05:30 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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This means that we need to redouble our efforts. Because these comments mean they are getting concerned about the fallout & want to placate us until we forget, then go back to business as usual.

They know that the average voter has a short attention span. They hope something else will come along and distract us.


113 posted on 08/23/2005 6:08:14 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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*Yawn*..*Stretch*


119 posted on 08/23/2005 6:21:43 PM PDT by Rebelbase ("Run Hillary Run" bumper stickers. Liberals place on rear bumper, conservatives put on front bumper)
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Lip service until proven otherwise!


122 posted on 08/23/2005 6:24:37 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, acknowledging public frustration over illegal immigration, said Tuesday that the federal government's detention and deportation catch and release system must be fundamentally restructured.
127 posted on 08/23/2005 6:47:50 PM PDT by planekT (No fence, no vote.)
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YAWN! Yeah, that's what they said in 1986. They're just trying to keep from getting burned on this issue next year.

But they WILL get burned, because they WON'T do anything, and the illegals will just KEEP COMING.

Until we make the politicians PAY...GRIEVOUSLY... for winking at this invasion for so long.

128 posted on 08/23/2005 6:49:53 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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I KNOW I am not alone in this but I am suspecting that the "solve it once and for all" statement means they are going to ram through a "guest worker/amnesty" plan and call THAT a solution, as in: "presto, no more 'illegal' aliens, now they're all here with our blessings! Everyone, comeonINNNN!" I don't have any faith in President Bush to represent the American people on this (the majority, at least, who do not support, want or desire a "guest worker" and/or "amnesty" program under any other name) (or either because they are synonymous regardless of what Bush says about both/either), and I am fearful that whatever his actions will be on this issue will ensure greater illegal aliens under a different terminology. And I voted for Bush, just to be clear.
131 posted on 08/23/2005 7:18:16 PM PDT by BIRDS
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What a laugh.

Who believes this...anyone, anyone?

133 posted on 08/23/2005 7:29:55 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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What a laugh.

Who believes this...anyone, anyone?

134 posted on 08/23/2005 7:30:18 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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Ditto to others' comments. I'll believe it when I see it. Talk is cheap.


146 posted on 08/23/2005 7:54:05 PM PDT by Theo
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COPY from the duplicate/other thread, same title...

Yeah, but it's the SOLUTION, the COUNTER to the concern that is the important and quite significant thing here.

Homeland Security (Chertoff, Bush, et al.) can simply eliminate a border security issue and call that solution. Just as Bush seems to think a "guest worker program" won't create millions upon millions and ongoing more illegal aliens in the U.S.. Ooops, in Bush speak, that's "guest workers."

Bush seems to think that just renaming the problem solves the problem. You can't have a "guest worker" who is guaranteed to return home to where he/she originated if you have no process to force/compel their return after their "guest" stay has expired.

We NEED THAT PROCESS before any such "guests" arrive or are renamed already here before any such process can even begin to be discussed without bursting out laughing/crying at the preposterousness of the language involved.

It's all about practical measures. If the U.S. does not have: (1.) secure borders [means SECURE, does not mean arguable under various circumstances]; (2.) effective penalties in place to punish and deter those who violate the secure borders; and, (3.) well moderated, staffed and moderated border barriers for foot/vehicle traffic violations of those secure borders, then we might as well just lay it all down as an issue.

The Chertoff statements don't imply a solution but an appeasement. I do think what he's implying is that they're going to implement a "guest" pass to anyone anytime anyplace at any border point just to not have to deal with that "impossible to monitor" border, as Bush calls it.

We need a secure border FENCE/BARRICADE/WHATEVERYOU CALL IT on the Southern Border, which will stop a certain amount of illegal aliens entering the country immediately, and then we can turn attention to include the northern and coastal issues.

We have to stem the problem first at the Southern Border with some barricade that is not surmountable and staff it, just get that done (question should be being asked here, as to why it has not been), and then contend with the others.

143 posted on 08/23/2005 7:44:15 PM PDT by BIRDS

P.S., this thread: I voted for President Bush and my political party affiliation is Republican, just for reference.

147 posted on 08/23/2005 8:01:50 PM PDT by BIRDS
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Wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up the fastest. They are 5 years late to the party. I hope they do it.


151 posted on 08/23/2005 8:30:47 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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