[GrandEagle]

So what? Based on this idea, as long as I slip a person a powerful pain killer, it is OK to murder them?

Strange "logic"

[Isabelle]

It amazes me how much BS will be put out there to try to make baby killing acceptable.

[the invisib1e hand]

see Silent Scream.

[TAdams8591]

Just like Terri Schiavo didn't feel pain and dehydration/starvation are painless.

[Mr. Silverback]

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[chiefqc]

It's the truth, one of the researchers talked to a fetuses and the fetuses told him not to sweat it it was no problem.

[bethtopaz]

Didn't they ever see "The Silent Scream" by Dr. Nathanson? It was a sonogram of an abortion of a "fetus" and when the needle went into the womb, close the baby, the baby tried to pull away and screamed. It caused Nathanson to make a 180, close down his clinics and go Nationwide with his film and talk against abortion. He was originally one of the main people behind the passage of Roe v. Wade.

[bethtopaz]

Didn't they ever see "The Silent Scream" by Dr. Nathanson? It was a sonogram of an abortion of a "fetus" and when the needle went into the womb, close the baby, the baby tried to pull away and screamed. It caused Nathanson to make a 180, close down his clinics and go Nationwide with his film and talk against abortion. He was originally one of the main people behind the passage of Roe v. Wade.

[Lexinom]

Correction: They wish fetuses didn't feel pain, since that fact would ease our pain over the extermination of innocent life. Emperical evidence indicates, pain or no pain, a will to live: the 10-week-old swimming desperately away from the invading suction blade in the Silent Scream ultrasound - ultimately torn apart and sucked out piecemeal, first a leg, then an arm, then the rest.

[Lexinom]

The review by researchers at the University of California, San Francisco

[pankot]

No matter what, gotta keep killin' those babies!

[Terriergal]

And what brilliant scientist determined this? And HOW?

[cpforlife.org]

Lesson 12 – FETAL PAIN: Pain of the unborn child during abortion

Goal: To familiarize students on the scientific fact that the pre-born child experiences pain at 20 weeks, and probably at earlier ages.

Introduction: In connection to the scientific fact that life begins at conception, science also proves beyond a doubt that the pre-born child experiences pain at 20 weeks, and probably at earlier ages.

This fact was brought out in open US federal court proceedings in 2004. Horrific testimony was entered into the official record each day in three separate federal District Court cases, each filed to stop the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003.

Dr. Kanwaljeet Anand, an Oxford and Harvard trained neonatal pediatrician and pain expert testified at the New York federal court hearings on April 13, 2004. Below is an excerpt from WORLD Magazine April 24, 2004 issue. The title of the article was Painfully unaware:

Dr. Anand took the stand in the morning and testified for hours that unborn children can feel pain even more vividly than adults or even infants. He said that by 20 weeks fetuses have developed all the nerve and brain functions to feel pain, but none of the coping mechanisms that help infants and adults to deal with the sensation. According to Dr. Anand's research, handling the fetus in the womb, delivering the child up to its head, slicing open its skull and sucking out the brains would all produce "prolonged and excruciating pain to the fetus."

The evidence for fetal pain is not new-Dr. Anand studied expressions of pain in unborn and neonatal children as early as the 1980s-but the legal argument is novel. Unlike previous legislative attempts to ban partial-birth abortion, Congress used a fetal-pain argument to rally support. If a fetus does feel pain as early as 20 weeks into the pregnancy, it bolsters Congress' ethical argument for banning the procedure. And in the courtroom it humanizes the unborn child in a way that the pro-life legal community has never been able to do.
http://www.worldmag.com/displayarticle.cfm?id=8807

The pro-abortion side attempts to lessen the horror of the reality of murdering children in the womb and the terrible pain that these babies endure while being aborted by claiming that late term abortions are rare. But that outright lie is exposed many times over, from around the world.

As reported by The Washington Times, on April 7, 2004, Dr. Anand also testified in federal district court in Lincoln, Nebraska in the suit there to stop the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. Dr. Anand testified that: "I believe the fetus is conscious," and that the pain during this procedure is "severe and excruciating" to 20-week-old pre-born children.

Under cross-examination, Dr. Anand said he believes a less-controversial abortion procedure, known as "dilation and evacuation" (D&E), would cause the same amount of pain to a child. An estimated 140,000 D&Es, the most common method of second-trimester abortion, take place in the United States annually. http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040406-111818-1409r

Below are excerpts from Fr. Frank Pavone’s August 15, 2005 newsletter:

In 1994, an article in the prestigious British medical journal, the Lancet, revealed hormonal stress reactions in the fetus. The article concluded with the recommendation that painkillers be used when surgery is done on the fetus. The authors wrote, "This applies not just to diagnostic and therapeutic procedures on the fetus, but possibly also to termination of pregnancy, especially by surgical techniques involving dismemberment."

In 1991, scientific advisors to the Federal Medical Council in Germany had made a similar recommendation.

In August 2001, Great Britain's Medical Research Council concluded that pain perception may be as early as 20 weeks; other studies place it as early as 10 weeks.

It should be noted that each year in the United States alone, over 18,000 abortions take place at 21 or more weeks of pregnancy.

The Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act has now been introduced in Congress, to inform women having abortions at 20 weeks or more that their baby may feel pain. The legislation deserves our support. It would require that the mother be given the option to provide painkillers to her baby. This is not to justify abortion, but will certainly make many think twice about it.

Many abortion supporters will, of course, continue to deny reality. As Bertrand Russell wrote, "A fisherman once told me that fish have neither sense nor sensation, but how he knew this, he could not tell me."
http://www.priestsforlife.org/columns/columns2005/05-08-15unbornpain.htm
Closing Prayers:

Lord, open the eyes and the hearts of abortionists, so they may see the immensity of the evil that they are doing.

Online Resources about fetal pain:

http://www.abortionfacts.com/fetal_development/fetal_pain.asp
http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_14.asp
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/Fetal_Pain/

The above is from a Respect Life curriculum that will be available on-line at no charge. I will be putting it on my site within weeks.

See also Fetal Psychology
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/tul/psychtoday9809.html

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Priests' Organization Comments on Moral Aspects of Fetal Pain

To: National and City Desks

Contact: Dan Matejek of Priests for Life,
718-980-4400 ext. 260

WASHINGTON, Aug. 24 /U.S. Newswire/ -- "The disputed report coming out of the University of California, indicating that pain may not be felt by unborn children during abortions in early pregnancy, hardly settles the matter scientifically," said Fr. Frank Pavone, national director of Priests for Life. "Other studies over the last 15 years around the world show evidence of earlier fetal pain. Research has to continue. Meanwhile, it makes sense to err on the side of caution."

Fr. Pavone also pointed out that while the possibility of pain should give us pause regarding abortion, the absence of pain does not justify killing unborn children. "There are many painless ways to kill both born and unborn. That doesn't make it right."

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Priests for Life is the nation's largest Catholic pro-life organization dedicated to ending abortion and euthanasia. For more information, visit http://www.priestsforlife.org.

[veronica]

I just don't believe this.

I have a close friend whose baby kicked like mad, every time she ate something really cold, like a popsicle. And that started fairly early in her pregnancy. That may not be "pain" but it's something.

[Kevin OMalley]

BFLR = Bump for later reading.

[Barnacle]

Fetuses Don't Feel Pain

More of the old tactic of dehumanizing victims to justify the hienous acts of the perpetrator.

It's right out of the Nazi playbook.

[syriacus]

Thread on Free Republic...September 2, 2001

British Study: Babies 20 weeks in the Womb Feel Pain!