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Bush Answers Critics of Iraq War! (Bush fights back!)
AP | 8/23/05

Posted on 08/23/2005 8:18:15 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

DONNELLY, Idaho (AP) -- President Bush has rapped sharp critics of his Iraq war policy, saying they advocate a position that would weaken the United States.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Idaho; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: agitprop; antiwarmovement; bush; cindysheehan; iraq; iraqwar; notapeacemovement; presidentbush; propaganda; proterrorist; protesters; usefulidiots; vfw; waronterror; waronterrorism; wot
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Right. No reason we can't declare victory and leave, except that Bush has painted us into a corner regarding the definition of success being a shining city on a hill in the Middle East. He's allowed the terms of victory to get ridiculously out of hand

Please leave the strategy to the military. It is nice you have opinions. It does not make them FACTS. The habit of the Cast Iron Conservatives, which they strangely share with the Hysteric Left, of stating their opinions as if they were holy writ is really annoying and tiresome

161 posted on 08/23/2005 10:58:28 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you try to be smarter, I will try to be nicer.)
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To: Stultis
They must never hold power again.

They will someday, and the Republic and people will pay dearly. The Republic will NEVER recover. It will be destroyed as it was founded. The day the socialists get control of all three at the same time again, you might as well get your red flag with hammer and sickle on it, cause that will become our national flag. And, each May 1st, we will march around the May Day flag pole like good little communists. Count on it.

162 posted on 08/23/2005 10:58:42 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Imperial Federal Government is your worst enemy! Don't give in to them!)
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To: ClancyJ
Don't know if we can do it - but, possibly with the Lord's help, it can be done.

I was a child during the Cold War, and the defeat of the Soviet Empire seemed nearly impossible. Much of American media was against strong objections to the reality of communism anywhere.

We prayed every day for "the conversion of Russia," when it seemed that only a miracle would make it happen. [I guess the miracle was named Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.] That the Soviet Empire collapsed gives me faith to believe that Islamofascism will also collapse - if we remain strong and focused, (and keep praying.)

163 posted on 08/23/2005 11:01:38 AM PDT by maica (Do not believe the garbage the media is feeding you back home. ---Allegra (in Iraq))
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To: MNJohnnie
In which case the terrorists have no need to attack in Iraq. They get to Run around the madrassas screaming "We defeated the Americans join us in Jihad" and recruit the next generation of "Holy Warriors" to plan the next series of 9-11 style attacks. We need to draw the "Holy Warriors" out of hiding into a kill zone where their weakness (Convectional military power) is projected up against our strength (firepower, firepower, firepower). Iraq is about taking and maintaining the initiative in the War on Islamic Terror. Iraq is what Sze Tse called "Death Ground" a battle field the terrorists MUST fight on for political reasons. We cannot defend everything, appease or isolate ourselves from these people. I thought after 9-11 even the most cast iron conservative would realize that! Isolationism has NEVER worked. We must fight these people! Iraq is the IDEAL place to do it.

We will never be able to kill all of the people who hate us, and there's evidence that the more of them we kill, the more that replace them. So, according to you, we can NEVER declare victory and leave Iraq. Because that would just be spun in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and elsewhere as running away in defeat. You can't let idiots like that dictate our policies. What if we let Democrat spin on various things dictate our actions? These nutjobs can spin whatever they want however they want. Once these insurgents are exclusively targeting Iraqis, I bet that hellfire will reign down on them. Arabs can be plenty bloodthirsty and plenty un-PC. Turn Iraqis loose on these mf-ers who are trying to kill their families. They will take care of business. We just have to give them the opportunity and make them seize that opportunity because they can't just let us do the heavy lifting.

164 posted on 08/23/2005 11:04:17 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Please leave the strategy to the military. It is nice you have opinions. It does not make them FACTS. The habit of the Cast Iron Conservatives, which they strangely share with the Hysteric Left, of stating their opinions as if they were holy writ is really annoying and tiresome

You know, you didn't actually disagree with anything I said. You posted a non sequitur.

165 posted on 08/23/2005 11:06:26 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Stultis

Well said and absolutely correct! With friends like the American left, we truly don't need any enemies - they ARE the enemy.

- knightshadow.


166 posted on 08/23/2005 11:07:03 AM PDT by knightshadow
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To: Stultis

Well said and absolutely correct! With friends like the American left, we truly don't need any enemies - they ARE the enemy.

- knightshadow.


167 posted on 08/23/2005 11:07:03 AM PDT by knightshadow
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To: Stultis

Well said and absolutely correct! With friends like the American left, we truly don't need any enemies - they ARE the enemy.

- knightshadow.


168 posted on 08/23/2005 11:07:26 AM PDT by knightshadow
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To: knightshadow
Three times is a charm..tee hee.

You are now Blessed by the Freeper fairy.

169 posted on 08/23/2005 11:13:22 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Earth to liberals, we were not in Iraq on 9/11 so how did the war cause terrorism again?)
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To: MNJohnnie; All

Espcially the arm chair gerenals....


170 posted on 08/23/2005 11:14:17 AM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles --> http://www.cafepress.com/kevinspace1)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

What is your opinion on American forces in Germany, Japan, South Korea, Kosovo, etc? Shouldn't those countries be able to handle their own defense, according to your logic?


171 posted on 08/23/2005 11:14:18 AM PDT by maica (Do not believe the garbage the media is feeding you back home. ---Allegra (in Iraq))
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To: fr_freak
All of those people who are weak-kneed and whiny about how US troops are being killed need to shut the hell up

EXACTLY right. Wonder what they would of said about causalities on Omaha Beach, the Sugar Loaf On Okinawa, or Pork Chop Hill. Sorry, as painful as it is for the Cast Iron Conservatives to deal with, Militarily this is "Scatter light casualties" Despite being a racist nut job, Forrest had it right "War means fighting and fighting means killing". It also means some of your guys die. Funny how the Military understands this yet some people who "claim" to support the troops weep such crocodile tears while they use the scarifies a a tawdry political prop to beat up on domestic political foes. Wonder if the people who are so busy screaming "bring them home NOW" also lobbied their Congress critters to raise the Military pay and benefits, especially the recently raised Death Benefit.

172 posted on 08/23/2005 11:15:29 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you try to be smarter, I will try to be nicer.)
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To: Earthdweller

Sorry!!! Lost track of the flood of comments on this thread and missed my extra posts.


173 posted on 08/23/2005 11:15:52 AM PDT by knightshadow
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To: GraniteStateConservative

well, we do want a certain degree of stability over there. remember, we are hanging our hat on the accomplishment of a stable country in the middle east - still a noble and important goal.

my main point is, we have to decouple the idea of US victory from meaning that iraq is like some shangri-la. its not going to be. Los Angeles isn't, we can't stop gang violence in LA, these car bombs are going to be part of the iraqi security problem for a very long time to come. so long as its their forces dealing with it; hey, that's life.


174 posted on 08/23/2005 11:16:15 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: greed1sin

Aain? It's ALL ABOUT THE OIL?

So, let us drill in ANWR idiot and we won't need their stinkin' oil!


175 posted on 08/23/2005 11:16:32 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: maica

We don't have over 100K troops in any of those places.


176 posted on 08/23/2005 11:16:36 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: greed1sin

Again? It's ALL ABOUT THE OIL?

So, let us drill in ANWR idiot and we won't need their stinkin' oil!


177 posted on 08/23/2005 11:16:39 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: oceanview
my main point is, we have to decouple the idea of US victory from meaning that iraq is like some shangri-la. its not going to be. Los Angeles isn't, we can't stop gang violence in LA, these car bombs are going to be part of the iraqi security problem for a very long time to come. so long as its their forces dealing with it; hey, that's life.

Has Bush, and if so, how often, said that in clear terms to America and the world? He needs to lay out objective ways to measure when victory is in hand.

178 posted on 08/23/2005 11:19:36 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: MNJohnnie

the military strategy, in this phase of operations, has been unable to "solve" the fact that we take most of our KIA because our guys are driving all over the country in convoys being blown up by IEDs. we are not losing most of our forces in offensive military operations - while killing the enemy. that equation has to change.

if we tie our success or failure there to total pacification of roadside bombers and suicide drivers - that won't work, those problems are not going away in iraq for a long time. we must decouple our success from that.


179 posted on 08/23/2005 11:23:37 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: GraniteStateConservative

You did not answer the question.


^^^^What is your opinion on American forces in Germany, Japan, South Korea, Kosovo, etc?^^^^^


Since you have written your preference for our pulling out of Iraq, a fragile new country, I wanted to know how you viewed the deployment of American forces to more stable countries.


180 posted on 08/23/2005 11:25:20 AM PDT by maica (Do not believe the garbage the media is feeding you back home. ---Allegra (in Iraq))
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