Posted on 08/23/2005 8:18:15 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
The only reason, and I do mean ONLY reason, that Jane Fonda escaped any official sanctions for treason, which she did commit (and has never renounced, making her treachery even more grievous, in my view), is that she was and is a highprofile media character.
She had and has the "power" (such as it is, like a giant sucking sound) of the media and entertainment industry in her favor AND (second reason) she has great wealth.
Without one or the other, she'd have been prevented (I really believe that) from remaining or even returning to the U.S. after her Vietnam escapades.
Jane Fonda, her ex, and others of their similar opinions and behaviors are people who bypass social and legal consequences because of wealth, unfortunately, by buying (literally) a skewered media presence in their favor, to ease their images/wrong actions, as to public perceptions.
In Fonda's case, the public perceptions are still very negative about her (and should be) but she's able to sway political opinion, I am SURE, based upon her position as a wealthy influence, politically and socially.
It's a shame because she is a traitor in the truest sense of the definition, and remains committed to her views and actions, having never renounced any of them past or presents. Her only comments about her past were that she regretted anyone feeling badly about her, to that effect. She regrets that other people perceived her badly, wrongly, not that she regrets any of her own behaviors and positions, statements, actions.
Truly a despicable person.
And, in places like Santa Monica, CA, Jane Fonda is still "cool," as is also Tom Hayden.
Shows you the depths that some people go to to grovel for trends.
WEll, I've long been of the opinion that John Kerry more than qualifies as a traitor. Of the official kind, as much, if not moreso, a traitor as anyone convicted has ever been.
The mere fact that he met with the North Vietnamese in Paris while he was still enlisted (he argues this but it's been proven that he was not yet discharged during that meet in Paris) is an act of treason under military laws, but his actions during and after the Vietnam War were also traitorous.
I believe it's due to Jimmy Carter's actions that John Kerry was able to run for the Senate afterward (Carter granted Kerry a Presidential pardon, but I don't know the details of that and sure wish I did, lest anyone has a link to any content on the internet that contains the body of that Pardon, but I doubt that Kerry would ever have allowed that to persevere if ever on the internet), anyway, that Kerry ended up in the Senate and, horribly worse, running for the Presidency is like someone completely insulting the U.S. to near death (Kerry has).
He's engaged in treachery of and about the U.S. and has no place in the Senate, much less the Executive (and from the look of things, a lot of other people thought so, too). But, I do regard Kerry as a traitor, and Carter as one, too, for the Pardon -- which he should not have offered, nor been able to under Kerry's circumstances.
I mean, there are some acts that are not pardonable and unless someone's completely recanted and renounced former treachery (Kerry has not, Fonda has not), there is no margin upon which a Pardon can be considered other than mere and subjective favoritism.
So, yes, Kerry's a traitor and so is Jane Fonda and no amount of money by either will ever change their legacy of treachery.
There is a HUGE difference between protesting governmental policy and aiding and abetting the enemy.
Sheehan, for another example, has engaged in treason, actually speaking out in support and encouragement of declared enemies of the U.S. while saying horrible things about the U.S. mutually, actually denouncing the place.
If Sheehan's so unhappy here, why hasn't she relocated to Iran or maybe Afghanistan? And people like her...I mean, I find things sometimes disagreable about the U.S. as to policy but I'd never go so far as condemn the country, renounce citizenship, threaten others and even the country as Sheehan has. And as did Kerry, for that matter.
If George Bush were a "terrorist" or rogue leader, she would already have "disappeared" as Saddam's Iraqi dissenters did.
Yes, John Kerry lied before Congress and regularly to the press. When questioned about it in the modern era, he shrugs it off as angry words from a young man.
His organization also plotted the assassination of elected Congressmen during a time of war for their support of the war.
Traitors are not permitted to serve as President. Don't know the constitutionality of a pardoned traitor attempting to be sworn in.
"The MSM in Europe makes this page 4 news..."
Not to infer that all papers in Europe have such a feature but I wonder how many readers make it past "Page 3".
Er, imply.
There have been some sporadic "lone nut" attacks in the US (Charles Bishop/Bishra, the DC Sniper Duo, the anthrax attacks, the shoe bomber caught in the act on a plane...) as well as notable bombings in Bali, Madrid, and London.
We have not heard of some of the successes (the only I know that was disclosed was a plot to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge; Ed Koch,I think, made reference to it in FahrenHYPE 911, the answer film to Michael Moore's film).
There are near flashpoint events from the Cold War that are only now coming to light.
We will never hear how many attempts there have been that were thwarted. Lets the enemy know too much.
When the terrorist threat level is raised, who's to say that it was all a "false alarm"?
When the leftists scream, "Why are we fighting in Iraq? We were not attacked by Iraqis on 911! The Madrid and London bombings were not carried out by Iraqis!" just point out that we are not fighting against Iraqis in Iraq. We are fighting foreign terrorists along side Iraqis.
If that fails to move them, ask them when we were attacked by Bosnia.
I think Pres. Bush would have millions more passionate supporters on the ground in Iraq if we were fighting to disperse the vast wealth of Iraq to the Iraq people as the Czech Republic did with government owned property following the collapse of communist rule. But that might put pressure on his friend Vincent Fox to institute a similar policy for Pemex and similar assets of the Mexican government. What would happen to illegal immigration if Mexicans had to stay in Mexico to keep their shares in Pemex?
You are absolutely correct. The President has to fight for freedom in America too - not just Iraq and foreign nations.
Sometimes I think they do nothing and wait for the coming uprising from the grassroots. When we speak up it is often more resounding than bickering from the President.
Yet, in this case and in immigration - it is time for his voice and actions to be heard.
I generally admire W, but sometimes I have the disquieting feeling that he isn't focused. Remember the first debate?
Also, remember how his father never really publicly addressed the economy? That very likely cost the election, which was fairly close, IIRC.
Probably I'm wrong, but still.
"I have seen some behavior that really is treasonous, not just some liberal whining but actually giving aid and comfort to the enemy. I can't fathom why speech designed to aid our enemies is untouchable."
You're absolutely correct. I, too, wish I had a more analysis. But, the Left has stealthily "redefined" certain of our formerly bedrock traditional values and concepts, mostly via their "politically correct" tactics, which have been carefully designed to alter both the words we use and the ideas they connote. Activist judical appointments support and uphold this type of thing (as, for example, by validating "hate speech" legislation, or the removal of verbal references to God, while simultaneously upholding flag burning, and giving "aid and comfort to the enemy," on the basis of free speech).
The furious and calculated assault on the very life of our constitutional republic has been well planned; and the challenge to true patriotic Americans is considerable.
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