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The Gorelick Wall Encompassed Defense, CIA, And State
Captain's Quarters Blog ^ | 8/21/2005 | Captain Ed

Posted on 08/21/2005 1:04:32 PM PDT by ovrtaxt

August 21, 2005

The Gorelick Wall Encompassed Defense, CIA, And State

One of the arguments at places like Think Progress and other sites which have made themselves the defenders of former Deputy AG Jamie Gorelick consists of pointing out that Gorelick didn't work at the DoD when she erected the "wall" separating intelligence and law enforcement operations. Therefore, they argue, she had no effect on the DIA's decision not to share information with the FBI. As I pointed out earlier, that argument fails for two reasons. The first is Gorelick's earlier assignment at the DoD as general counsel for ten months, during which one supposes she promulgated Bill Clinton's policies as the top attorney at Defense just as she did later at Justice. The second, and most obvious, is that as the number-two person at Justice, she still set policy for the FBI. Since sharing and cooperation require two parties to work together, her wall would have made any attempt to engage the FBI pointless.

Now William Tate at What's In The News points out another reason why the "wall" constrained Defense. Gorelick addressed her 1995 memo to several different people:

* Mary Jo White, US District Attorney, prosecuting the 1993 WTC bombing terrorists

* Louis Freeh, FBI Director

* Jo Ann Harris, Assistant Attorney General, Criminal Division (DoJ)

* Richard Scruggs, Chief Counsel, Office of Intelligence Policy and Review

This last addressee makes the connection to the Department of Defense that the Gorelick defenders claim didn't exist. As Tate points out and as the OIPR website makes clear, the DoD looked to the OIPR for legal opinions on anything having to do with the legality of their operations, especially in regard to those involving domestic targets:

The Office of Intelligence Policy and Review, under the direction of the Counsel for Intelligence Policy, is responsible for advising the Attorney General on all matters relating to the national security activities of the United States. The Office prepares and files all applications for electronic surveillance and physical search under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, assists Government agencies by providing legal advice on matters of national security law and policy, and represents the Department of Justice on variety of interagency committees such as the National Counterintelligence Policy Board. The Office also comments on and coordinates other agencies' views regarding proposed legislation affecting intelligence matters.

The Office serves as adviser to the Attorney General and various client agencies, including the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Defense and State Departments, concerning questions of law, regulation, and guidelines as well as the legality of domestic and overseas intelligence operations.

The inclusion of Richard Scruggs, the lead counsel at the OIPR, intended to send the message that any advice given to the DoD, CIA, and State regarding the sharing of files had better fall in line with her new stated policy of going "beyond the law" to avoid any appearance of impropriety. Given that Gorelick held a high-profile position within Justice as a political appointee of Bill Clinton, this policy would rightly get attention as an official directive of the President's wishes. The one office that all of these intelligence agencies would consult in terms of sharing and coordination between themselves and law-enforcement operations would therefore have advised all agencies to follow the Gorelick Wall as a standard and as White House policy.

Given that kind of connection, it doesn't take much imagination to understand why all of these agencies became shy about even attempting to stretch the limits of the Gorelick policy.

The notion that Gorelick's memo had no effect outside the DoJ does not stand up to scrutiny at all, once the fact and intent of including Scruggs and the OIPR become known. This shows why Mary Jo White objected so strenuously to this memo and its implementation, and why she went out of her way to antagonize her bosses at the DoJ with a second and more heated memo predicting, correctly, that such a policy would leave America unprotected against the very people she had just successfully prosecuted.

It's bad enough that Gorelick erected that wall in 1995. It's ludicrous that four years after 9/11, people waste their time defending her and her participation in the 9/11 Commission as a panel member instead of a witness.

Addendum: Relating this to Able Danger, one can easily see why the Wall kept the DoD from pursuing an FBI investigation of the program's findings. The AD team would have asked for permission from DoD attorneys, as Col. Tony Shaffer has said was done three times, and all three times the attorneys denied the request. Either they already had great familiarity with Clinton's policies -- which probably was the case -- or they consulted with the OIPR and got the Gorelick policy from Scruggs and his team.

Scruggs, by the way, was no mere bystander in this issue. He pressed for stricter constraints on information sharing in 1994, after the prosecution of Aldrich Ames for espionage. He complained about the supposedly loose interpretations of FISA at the FBI and in the intel communities, and on his own began imposing his own "wall" even without direction to do so from Reno or Gorelick. This action gets Scruggs his only mention in the Commission report (page 78).

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To: NathanBookman
"I can not believe she was allowed on the 9/11 commission. As someone else said, hey Jamie, it's not the cover-up, it's the crime, and her wall was a big crime!!!"

Given that we could never find out - officially that is - who hired Craig Livingston; I guess it is to much to expect as whose invitation she arrived on. . .or at whose behest.

Or perhaps I missed somthing. . .

In any event, the 'sliming' of Lt.Col Shaeffer has such a Clinton, Inc. quality to it. . .and now the documents have disappeared (?)

Repubs have got to be helping on this somehow. . .or they are really dumber than dirt. . .so to speak.

61 posted on 08/21/2005 3:06:05 PM PDT by cricket (color me. . .Republican)
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To: NathanBookman
Not handy, but how about this....

Mmmm, ahhhh, nothing better than a "happy hour" Bud and a great post to boot!

62 posted on 08/21/2005 3:08:22 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: popdonnelly
There's somebody who wants to build bridges with these people?

Yes, and they reside out of country.

63 posted on 08/21/2005 3:09:35 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: unixfox
So...they would rather have chaos than peace so they can look like heroes when *THEY* try to "fix the problems".

In a nutshell postings...I like that!

64 posted on 08/21/2005 3:11:40 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Laverne

I sent email to the Commission as well. Actually I sent an email to Gorelick too and she responded.

She is hiding at a high class law firm now. Hopefully not for long. She needs to get major prison time.

Anyone want her email?




65 posted on 08/21/2005 3:13:34 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: NathanBookman

I always figured thats why she was there. To steer everybody in the wrong direction. Away from her ''wall'' and away from Clinton's'' do nothing'' attitude for eight years when it came to terrorism!


66 posted on 08/21/2005 3:20:18 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: ovrtaxt
All roads lead back to Bubba...

Why did he refuse to act against UBL and AQ? Inquiring minds want to know.

67 posted on 08/21/2005 3:21:48 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: ovrtaxt

The wall was put up to prevent any NSA intercepts of the Clinton that Vince Foster could not remove on his trips to Fort Mead.


68 posted on 08/21/2005 3:24:05 PM PDT by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's code and found a terrorist message.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Gorelick WORKED WITH Clark

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1118806/posts

I dug this up more than a year ago


69 posted on 08/21/2005 3:27:19 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: NathanBookman

There were a bunch of people raising cain about it last year, in the March-April time frame. Looks like there was considerable justification.


70 posted on 08/21/2005 3:33:42 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (NRA)
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To: backhoe

{{{ ping }}}


71 posted on 08/21/2005 4:23:56 PM PDT by CyberAnt (America has the greatest military on the face of the earth.)
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To: Mo1
"She should have been a witness"

Gorelick and others, should have been DEFENDANTS..

Semper Fi

72 posted on 08/21/2005 4:36:41 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: mariabush

That would be a dream come true! Hee Hee


73 posted on 08/21/2005 4:40:23 PM PDT by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: CyberAnt

74 posted on 08/21/2005 4:49:56 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: ovrtaxt

bookmark


75 posted on 08/21/2005 4:58:29 PM PDT by Alia
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To: ovrtaxt

bttt

This woman needs to be busted, big-time.


76 posted on 08/21/2005 6:07:31 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: ovrtaxt

bttt


77 posted on 08/21/2005 6:46:28 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Cindy Sheehan: "All You Are Saying Is Give APPEASEMENT A Chance!")
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To: maestro; Enchante; Southack; backhoe; Mo1; Peach; Grampa Dave; kcvl

DIETRICH SNELL .. interviewed about the hijackers ..I guess he's a real expert. THE SPECIAL ON 9/11 IS ON NOW ON NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC.


78 posted on 08/21/2005 7:38:45 PM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THESE TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: ovrtaxt

bttt


79 posted on 08/21/2005 8:58:27 PM PDT by Pagey (Whether Hillary Clintons' attacks on America are a success or a failure depends upon YOU TOO!)
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To: ovrtaxt

There is no end to the Gorelick involvement and of course,
Richard Clarke

Oklahoma City, TWA Flight 800, and the Gorelick connection
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38068

How Richard Clarke concocted the TWA 800 'exit strategy' ... and why
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37882

Iran responsible for TWA 800 tragedy?
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35610

N.Y. Times continues to avoid TWA 800 connection
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45836


Want to see more? Read all of the articles:

http://www.wnd.com/news/archives.asp?AUTHOR_ID=164&PAGE=12









80 posted on 08/22/2005 12:05:37 AM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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