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Lessons From our Ancestors About the Countryside(Five Experts Ran a Welsh farm using 17th C methods)
BBC ^ | Friday, 19 August 2005 | Megan Lane

Posted on 08/20/2005 9:03:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway

For a year five experts ditched theory for practice, running a Welsh farm using 17th Century methods. What lessons for modern living did they learn?

The BBC series Tales from the Green Valley follows historians and archaeologists as they recreate farm life from the age of the Stuarts. They wear the clothes, eat the food and use the tools, skills and technology of the 1620s.

It was a time when daily life was a hard grind, intimately connected with the physical environment where routines were dictated by the weather and the seasons. A far cry from today's experience of the countryside, which for many involves a bracing walk ahead of a pub lunch.

While few would choose to live a 17th Century lifestyle, the participants found they picked up some valuable tips for modern life.

1. Know thy neighbours. Today it's possible to live alone, without knowing anyone within a 20-mile radius (the same goes for townies). That was simply not possible in the past - not only did the neighbours provide social contact, people shared labour, specialist skills and produce. "And women were judged on good neighbourliness," says historian Ruth Goodman. "If you were willing to help others - particularly during and after childbirth - then others would be more prepared to help you in times of need."

2. Share the load. It was nigh on impossible to run a 1620s farm single-handedly, and the family - either blood relatives, or a farmer, his wife and hired help - had to be multi-skilled. Labour, too, was often divided along gender lines, but at busy periods, such as harvest time, it was all hands on deck.

3. Fewer creature comforts have some benefits. No electricity meant once daylight faded, work stopped in favour of conversation, music-making and knitting. And no carpets meant fewer dust mites, which are linked to asthma and allergies. "They scattered herbs on the floor which released scent when trodden on - this drove out flies and other insects," says Ms Goodman.

4. Eat seasonally. Today it's because of "food miles" and the inferior quality of forced products. In the 1620s, it was because foods were only available at certain times of year - and not just fruit and veg. Mutton, for instance, was in abundance in spring, soon after shearing time. This was because a sheep's wool quality plunges after eight years - thus animals of that age were killed after their final fleece was removed.

5. Tasty food comes in small batches. Today farmers' markets are a tourist attraction and many delight in regional specialities. For these producers play to the strengths of their ingredients, unlike, for instance, the makers of mass-produced cheese. This has to taste the same year-round, despite seasonal variations in milk quality. "So high-quality milk in the spring is downgraded so the finished product is consistent throughout the year," says Ms Goodman.

6. Reuse and recycle. Today we throw away vast mountains of packaging, food, garden waste and other materials. In 1620s, there was a use for everything, with tattered bed linens made into fire-lighters and animal fat into soap. Even human waste had uses. Faeces was a fertiliser, and urine was stored to make ammonia to remove laundry stains.

7. Dress for practicalities. Today fashion and social convention dictate our wardrobes. While polar fleeces and high-performance tramping boots may be all the rage when going rural, the wardrobe of 400 years ago proved more comfortable. "While the crew shivered in their modern garb, we never felt the cold in just two layers - a linen shirt and woollen doublet," says archaeologist Alex Langlands. Breeches meant no wet and muddy trouser legs, and staying covered up - rather than stripping off in the heat - prevented bites, stings, sunburn and scratches.

8. Corsets, not bras. "By that I don't mean Victorian corseting," says Ms Goodman. "Corsets support your back as well as your chest, and don't leave red welts on your skin like bra elastic does. They made it hard to breath walking up hills, but I get short of breath doing that anyway. And most people feel sexy in a corset."

9. Biodiversity protects against unforeseen calamity. While the developed world no longer counts the cost of crop failure in starvation and mass migration - the result of Ireland's Great Potato Famine in 1845 - the 2001 foot-and-mouth crisis decimated farms up and down the country as animals, the farmers' livelihoods, were put to death. The 1620s farm had grains, fruit and vegetables, and a range of animals - if one failed, alternatives were available.

9. Reliance on any one thing leaves you vulnerable. Hence the country ground to a halt during the petrol blockades of 2000, and a shortage of coal during 1978-9's Winter of Discontent caused electricity shortages. On the 1620s farm, when oxen used to plough fields fell ill, the implements were reshaped and horses did the job instead.

10. No pesticides means a richer variety of birds, butterflies and other insects, many of which feast on pests - a result as desirable for the gardener as the farmer. And the hedgerow and fields of wild flowers of the past are today making a comeback, as these provide habitats for these creatures and allow edible plants to flourish.

\Tales from the Green Valley will be broadcast weekly on BBC Two from Friday, 19 August, at 1930BST.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: archaeology; conservative; culture; farm; history; lessons; society
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To: calex59
"Average life expectancy at birth for English people in the late 16th/early 17th centuries was just under 40 –39.7 years. However, this low figure was mostly due to the high rate of infant and child mortality – over 12% of all children born would die within their first year. A man or woman who reached the age of 30 could expect to live to 59. Life expectancy in New England was much higher, where the average man died in his mid-sixties and women lived on average to 62. This is still very low compared to the modern U.S., where a male child has a life expectancy of 73 and a female child, 79."

Found the above Googling, though I can't speak for its authenticity. I sometimes wonder about old life expectancy averages since there are some well known folks from those days who lived fairly long, Titian, Leonardo and Rembrandt among them.

161 posted on 08/22/2005 2:12:51 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Kind Sir, I truly believe that the Tankards need to commence
in anticipation of the mutton.


162 posted on 08/22/2005 4:26:15 AM PDT by doberville (Angels can fly when they take themselves lightly)
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To: danmar; All
I thought we are nuts, but it looks like the Brits are surpassing us. I wonder who is sponsoring this nonsense!

Sheesh... Didn't anyone read TFA? This was a group of archiologists/historians whatever, that left the comforts of their modern offices or classrooms, to get a real feel for life in the 17th century.

To learn and understand from a whole different perspective.

I find it interesting.

163 posted on 08/22/2005 4:55:41 AM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: Mamzelle
Get ahold of the Annotated Mother Goose, a very amusing and scholarly work. It shows through contemporary sources that the provenance of the "Ring a ring of roses" rhyme is much later than even the Great London Plague of 1665.

That book also notes that much of the "odd histories" of nursery rhymes stem from a single book written by what would have been called a tinfoil hat guy today, except it was a woman, IIRC some time in the late 19th century. She found arcane meanings, like King Charles's head, everywhere.

164 posted on 08/22/2005 5:47:33 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Marauder
Actually, this is just one example and there have been many, which state the exact opposite. But believe whatever you choose to...no skin off my nose.

There have been many shows on the Discovery and History channels, that say there was indeed cancer found in Egyptian mummies and GOOGLE lists more than a dozen pages of studies, some of which agree with your position, most of which agrees with mine, done by Eygptologist medical researchers.

165 posted on 08/22/2005 1:35:53 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Food was cooked over a hearth, in those days. You just kept the embers raked, every now and again, and whatever you were cooking, cooked slowly.


166 posted on 08/22/2005 1:43:20 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: chgomac
If you really want to use lavender, cut a large swath of it, making sure you keep the stems long, tie, hang the bunch, upside down, in a a cool dark space to dry, and then use in little potpourri pillows to sweeten linen closets.
167 posted on 08/22/2005 1:47:35 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: little jeremiah
You are correct. The image of people dropping dead from "old age" and common diseases (not the plague) in their forties is a misconception based on historical life expectancy figures, which are skewed by the high rates of infant and childhood mortality of older times.

Death from falls from horse back were common but at least the victims weren't turned into the pink pulp which an auto or motorcycle accident can cause and probably didn't number in the tens of thousands (I read once that one in four Frenchmen die in auto accidents - if you've ever driven in France you'll believe it).

On the other hand, ailments which we can now survive with anti-biotics such as infections and pneumonia, or which are rare because of much improved public hygiene such as typhoid and cholera did make survival much past "three score and ten" the exception. Now it's practically the rule.

168 posted on 08/22/2005 2:14:44 PM PDT by katana
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To: katana
Yep. And using human feces - "nightsoil" - as a fertilizer contributed to the problem, both in terms of direct food contamination and contamination of the water supply. I'm hoping our re-enactors passed on that little habit.

One real misery I would also not try to experience is an intractable dental problem. A feller with a toothache isn't altogether pleasant to be around. "What cannot be cured must be endured" has a whole new meaning when there isn't any aspirin.

169 posted on 08/22/2005 3:04:58 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill; katana
"What cannot be cured must be endured" has a whole new meaning when there isn't any aspirin.

Which would explain the popularity of laudanum.

But didn't people have the trick of boiling up and decocting extract of willow-bark (genus Salix) for its salicylates?

170 posted on 08/22/2005 11:44:05 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Keep posting all the old time pain remedies and the libertarian Freepers will start to take notes. Our ancestors were a helluva lot smarter (and higher) than they're generally given credit for.


171 posted on 08/23/2005 9:31:09 AM PDT by katana
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Just adding this to the GGG catalog, not sending a general distribution.

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172 posted on 11/02/2005 10:12:50 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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