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Politicized Scholars Put Evolution on the Defensive
New York Times ^ | August 21, 2005 | JODI WILGOREN

Posted on 08/20/2005 5:45:53 PM PDT by Nicholas Conradin

By SEATTLE - When President Bush plunged into the debate over the teaching of evolution this month, saying, "both sides ought to be properly taught," he seemed to be reading from the playbook of the Discovery Institute, the conservative think tank here that is at the helm of this newly volatile frontier in the nation's culture wars.

After toiling in obscurity for nearly a decade, the institute's Center for Science and Culture has emerged in recent months as the ideological and strategic backbone behind the eruption of skirmishes over science in school districts and state capitals across the country. Pushing a "teach the controversy" approach to evolution, the institute has in many ways transformed the debate into an issue of academic freedom rather than a confrontation between biology and religion.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: anothercrevothread; crevolist; enoughalready; evolution; intelligentdesign; leechthecontroversy; makeitstop; notagain; scienceeducation
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To: Vive ut Vivas

"Do you know anything about biology and evolution? At all?"

Do you?


81 posted on 08/20/2005 7:39:23 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: VadeRetro
Gone for the evening.
82 posted on 08/20/2005 7:40:18 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Yes.


83 posted on 08/20/2005 7:40:31 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas
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To: Radix

You already know this, but others missed that day in math class: The square root sign is a stylized 'r', meaning radix, or root.


84 posted on 08/20/2005 7:43:48 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: bkepley; claptrap; Vive ut Vivas

"...theoretically possible for advanced beings to create mini-universes..."

Theoretically possible? Advanced beings?

Sounds like angels operating in God's power as He directs. That is what you mean, isn't it? :)


85 posted on 08/20/2005 7:44:29 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: PatrickHenry
Darwin's Influence on Ruthless Laissez Faire Capitalism. ICR, the grandaddy of all creationist websites, links Darwin to good ol' capitalism.

I was reading the other day that the American Economic Association that awarded Krugman its annual award in 1992

Professor Paul R. Krugman of the Department of Economics has received the prestigious John Bates Clark Medal, given biannually by the American Economic Association to the economist under 40 who has made the most important contributions to economics.
was founded by Christian socialists who were trying to undermine the influence of Darwinian thinking in economics. It is especially ironic considering Krugman's recent editorials attacking conservatives as being religious nuts and anti-science while "liberals" are rational and scientific.
86 posted on 08/20/2005 7:45:09 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Pittsburg Phil
[ID willl prevail.]



ID will prevail just as grandly as the Geocentric Universe theory.
87 posted on 08/20/2005 7:46:02 PM PDT by spinestein (The facts fairly and honestly presented, truth will take care of itself.)
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To: donh
"Tectonics?"

Gosh, I gave up my subscription to Nat'l Geographic so long ago because the ex needed more space in the laundry room.

Well, no matter, I gave up on my allusions for a career in Geology anyhow because I found the prerequisite courses in Whalesong to be so daunting.

Too bad also that the old SA rag kept getting in the way of the laundry area.

88 posted on 08/20/2005 7:46:17 PM PDT by Radix (Why do they call them Morons when they do not know as much? Shouldn't they be Lessons?)
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To: LeftCoastNeoCon
In other words, DONH, this is NOT salt over the shoulder we are talking about here. This is straight physics from the best minds out there.

Raising your voice does not improve your argument. What you are touting is commonly referred to as the anthropic argument, and it's very persuasive, if you are preaching to the choir, but it ain't science--It is flights of fancy, just like ID. Other explanations, that are on equal footing with respect to the available evidence have been put forth, and until there is some overwhelmingly good reason to prefer one over another, and we start seeing the questions booted about in refereed journals, discussing real experiments, or critically differentiating field studies, it is so much entertaining wind.

89 posted on 08/20/2005 7:46:44 PM PDT by donh
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

I wouldn't make that leap.


90 posted on 08/20/2005 7:47:22 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas
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To: Radix
Love ya, and your profile.....

I shamelessly plagerized your profile and put your Microsoft Forger graphic on my profile page.


91 posted on 08/20/2005 7:48:23 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Mulch
"Can you explain for a dummy like me the exact steps that occurred as man evolved from a single cell animal?"

Why is it necessary for every step in a sequence to be known? Do you need to know all the primes that come before 1213 to know it is a prime? What does the question you asked have to do with the poster I was responding to having a poor grasp of evolution?

92 posted on 08/20/2005 7:49:08 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Vive ut Vivas

So you are aware that biological fact and evolutionary theory are not necessarily synonymous.


93 posted on 08/20/2005 7:49:34 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Vive ut Vivas

You have an 'explanation' then of the 'theoretically possible' and the 'advanced beings'.


94 posted on 08/20/2005 7:51:26 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

I am aware that as far as science is concerned, "biological fact" does not exist.


95 posted on 08/20/2005 7:51:41 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas
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To: Radix

[Pi is essentially undefined]




Pi is defined as the ratio of the circumference of a circle to the diameter.

Just because it cannot be expressed as a ratio of two integers (it is an irrational number) doesn't mean it cannot be defined exactly.


96 posted on 08/20/2005 7:53:10 PM PDT by spinestein (The facts fairly and honestly presented, truth will take care of itself.)
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To: bkepley

"it might be theoretically possible"

Now there's something to bet the farm on.


97 posted on 08/20/2005 7:53:40 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Paleo Conservative
I don't think so. It is pretty easy to use evolutionary thought to under ping conservative thoght.

Of course, your post does wonders to make your side appear intelligent.

98 posted on 08/20/2005 7:55:08 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: VadeRetro

"If lack of a fossil record and transitional creatures is a prediction of ID"

Why would it be? ID requires a fossil record and transitional creatures.


99 posted on 08/20/2005 7:55:23 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Mulch
Even though there are some fiscal conservatives that believe in evolution most social conservatives start with a belief in a creator who imposes a moral code on man.

Many evolutionists believe in a creator. It is the wacky creos that are trying to perpetuate the myth that it is not possible.

100 posted on 08/20/2005 7:57:24 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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