Posted on 08/20/2005 5:45:53 PM PDT by Nicholas Conradin
By SEATTLE - When President Bush plunged into the debate over the teaching of evolution this month, saying, "both sides ought to be properly taught," he seemed to be reading from the playbook of the Discovery Institute, the conservative think tank here that is at the helm of this newly volatile frontier in the nation's culture wars.
After toiling in obscurity for nearly a decade, the institute's Center for Science and Culture has emerged in recent months as the ideological and strategic backbone behind the eruption of skirmishes over science in school districts and state capitals across the country. Pushing a "teach the controversy" approach to evolution, the institute has in many ways transformed the debate into an issue of academic freedom rather than a confrontation between biology and religion.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Evolutionists attempt to taint anybody who even questions them as lying, bible thumping, snake handling, trailer trash. -excerpt of my comment-
"Part of that impression is self-imposed. the continued use of Second Law arguments. Out of context or fabricated quotes attributed to famous scientists, the unwillingness of creationist to police their own when sill and discredited arguments are posted -- all this looks like what you said." your response
Justify it however you so choose, but do you really think that it appeals to parents sending their children into public schools who already believe evolution is a lie.
my response
I'm not sure exactly what this sentence means. Are you referring to my attitude?
your question
Again, I probably disagree with what most creationists believe...
Why should creationists do what evolutionists do not do themselves. I see no such "police" (your word) in their manner of debate. I can read Darwin's "origins" and I can make of it what I choose, I no not need anyone to tell me what it meant when he wrote it and what it means now.
Your words justified the methods used by evolutionists to control who says what and what the meaning of things said are. Just like a whole lot of Christians like to do with the Bible.
"Dr" Richard Bliss, who develops curriculum materials for the Institute for Creation Research, has a doctorate in education from the University of Sarisota in Florida, an unaccredited diploma mill that is located in a hotel."(emphasis mine)
Here's their website, which seems to be accredited to me. Of course, things could have been different in the seventies when Bliss was awared his PhD. I personally don't know, but I'm a little skeptical when someone levies a charge of fraud without backing it with any evidence other than their word.
That said, you may not agree with their method of the distance-learning model, but it hardly constitutes fraud.
I'm willing to change my opinion if you can provide evidence, but so far it looks like an unsubstantiated charge.
I'm sorry, not PhD...EdD
uh huh. So we might possibly not be speaking about the cutting edge of biological research science here?
Would you say that these headlines are basically what the arguement boils down to?
Nothing Creates Universe, Wins Lotto, Universe is Special
Or:
Something Creates Universe, Uses Choice to Make Universe Special
What we're talking about, is the charge of fraud. I assumed that much was clear from my post. Obviously you have nothing of interest to add regarding that particular point, however, considering some of the minds that places like Harvard is churning out these days, I personally don't place much value in such elitist platforms that you seem to be advocating from here, especially when advocates like you leave yourself wide to having a non-professional like myself slap you down such as I am.
Now, if you have something of interest to add to my querry, then fine. If you don't, then you might want to ping your evo-zombie friends, because I'm not really interested.
There is a thin line between tort fraud and representing an institute as scientific enough to speak with authority at, say, school board meetings, due to the credentials of its participants, which turn out to be all but non-existent upon examination. It takes more than a snotty, supercelious attitude to turn lead credentials into gold, hard as you may try.
I doubt you actually do remember. My 10 year old nephew is substantially more lucid than this.
Get all yourself and your little evo buddies together, yeh all of um & we all all have a nice happy little thread.
Yeh.., thats the ticket MORDO IS LAUGHING AT YOU!! LMAO!! LOL!! HA HA HA HA!!!!
Another thrust from the clown school of argumentation.
Would you say that these headlines are basically what the arguement boils down to? Nothing Creates Universe, Wins Lotto, Universe is Special Or: Something Creates Universe, Uses Choice to Make Universe Special
No. That is what you and countless creationists would very much like it to boil down to, so you can engage in this loony science-by-sheer-logic rhetoric, that was so popular in the 13th century, and which you've recently grown so fond of.
Serious science is not interested in this argument, because it's outside science's sphere of competence. Science is interested in mundane material explanations of material phenomena, and has no useful, or particularly competent, opinions about additional metaphysical explanations beyond that.
BLA HA HA HA!! ROFLMAO!!! CAN'T BREATHE!! LOL!!
Thanks for your input.
Practically all scientists probably would agree with this. Practically none of them would regard it as a scientific statement.
And thus yer 'serious science' shows that in a world that operates by philosophy, that could not continue to operate without philosophy, it believes it is perfectly authorized to steal philosophy's show. Of course that does not extinguish philosophy, it only drives philosophy underground.
I'd prefer to put out the toast, and butter the cat.
Kind of fans of philosophy, are we? I think it's chief competence is to annoy undergrads, myself.
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