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David Graham On The Vioxx Verdict
Forbes.com ^ | 08.19.05, 6:31 PM ET | Matthew Herper

Posted on 08/19/2005 4:37:07 PM PDT by The SISU kid

No single person has come to more represent the big questions about drug safety that emerged following the withdrawal of Merck's painkiller Vioxx than the Food and Drug Administration's David Graham.

And now that a Texas jury has awarded the widow of one Vioxx patient $253 million, Graham, who works in the FDA's Office of Drug Safety, is more critical than ever. Of the drug, and his employer, for whom he doesn't speak.

"If the judgment is that there's blood on Merck's (nyse: MRK - news - people ) hands," Graham says, "there's blood on the FDA's hands as well."

Graham has estimated that Vioxx killed some 60,000 patients--as many people, he points out, as died in the Vietnam War. He says that fundamental problems at the FDA led to those deaths. "People should turn to Congress and demand a drug safety system that is free from corporate influence--and a distinct center for drug safety."

In Graham's eyes, the problem at the FDA is that the same scientists who approve drugs are the ones charged with deciding whether or not they are safe enough to remain on the market when problems crop up. "There is no feedback or review process to say, 'You guys have made a big mistake,' " he says. When problems are recognized by drug safety officers, it can be hard for the message to take hold.

Graham says that he thinks there should be formal, periodic reviews of the safety of new medicines--and that the FDA should release documents that explain its reasoning.

"The FDA does not think anything it did is a mistake," he says. "None of its decisions are evidence-based."

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dumbjurors; fda; greed; greedylawyers; greedyplaintffs; merck; tortreform; vioxx

1 posted on 08/19/2005 4:37:12 PM PDT by The SISU kid
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To: The SISU kid

This guy must be bullet-proof.

I can hardly wait to see the FDA's reponse to him.


2 posted on 08/19/2005 4:45:00 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: The SISU kid

May I assume from your screen name that you are of Finnish ancestry? Lot's of SISU up here where I live....


3 posted on 08/19/2005 4:52:21 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: The SISU kid

My elderly father has been in agony ever since Vioxx was withdrawn from the market. The doctors recommended operations on his knees, hardly a reasonable option at his advanced age. Fortunately, he saved several months' supply of Vioxx and began taking it again. He feels better than he has in months. Some risks, frankly, are worth taking.


4 posted on 08/19/2005 5:13:17 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: The SISU kid

Vioxx killed 60,000 people? Hmm. (makes expression of doubt)


5 posted on 08/19/2005 5:20:50 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: madprof98
My elderly father has been in agony ever since Vioxx was withdrawn from the market. The doctors recommended operations on his knees, hardly a reasonable option at his advanced age. Fortunately, he saved several months' supply of Vioxx and began taking it again. He feels better than he has in months. Some risks, frankly, are worth taking.

My 83 y/o dad suffers from arthritis. Vioxx and similar drugs were magic for him. Sadly they have been or are being withdrawn. I suspect another cause for the deaths.

6 posted on 08/19/2005 5:21:01 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and Ye shall find.)
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To: madprof98
I agree.

Weigh the risks and make the choice.

I was on Vioxx for severe osteoarthritis for about 6 months before it was pulled from the market. It really worked. I was then put on Celebrex which didn't work nearly as well and finally bit the bullet and had my hip replaced.

How long I would have gone on Vioxx is open for debate but had I been a poor candidate for surgery then I would have been stuck with Celebrex.

There is a lot of hype about Vioxx so I don't know that we have the total picture yet.

If this is one settlement for one plaintiff then the drug company is going to get hit really hard and the cost of all drugs is going to go up.
7 posted on 08/19/2005 5:22:42 PM PDT by Orange Krush
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To: madprof98
I am a back pain sufferer, and vioxx was like a wonder drug for me. I used to make an "ouch" sound every time I sat or stood, or got in and out of a car. After going on vioxx, I realized I was making the "ouch" sound out of habit, and that there was no more (or very little) "ouch" anymore. I was on it for several years, and the orthopedic doc had me take an aspirin with it to minimize any potential heart problems. I, too stashed away about a month's worth.

For some, it's worth the risk to ease the pain. Nothing is w/o side effects. I still think the drug needed to be studies under more controlled circumstances. How many people who died were elderly and suffering from heart problems already?

My doctor now prescribes a different anti-inflammatory drug called mobic. It helps, but not as well as vioxx.

8 posted on 08/19/2005 5:23:23 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ("...on Earth, as it is in TEXAS")
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To: Sender

Yes, it did.

Makes you wonder just how many people will have to drop dead before we realize we are in deep s**t due to bird flu or a terroist mass casualty attack with a bioweapon.


9 posted on 08/19/2005 5:24:37 PM PDT by Spike Spiegel
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To: madprof98
Some risks, frankly, are worth taking.

It is a quality of life thing. My mother suffers from osteoarthritis. Vioxx was the only thing she could take. Now she lives in daily pain.

My problem is more minor as I only needed it occasionally but when I do oh boy do I need it.

I now have the option of the totally useless over the counter stuff or the mind dulling stuff.

Whee! I can either have my brain dulled from pain or from drugs. Oh joy!

10 posted on 08/19/2005 5:28:13 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: The SISU kid
<Donning Asbestos Suit>


Drug companies opened THEMSELVES up to these lawsuits by directly marketing (using slick ad campaigns) to consumers (most who don't have a clue about their medical health) which in turn made these patients DEMAND these powerful drugs from their docs.

It's like marketing camshafts to commuters.

</Donning Asbestos Suit>

11 posted on 08/19/2005 5:58:58 PM PDT by bikepacker67
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To: bikepacker67

From the article:

"Graham has estimated that Vioxx killed some 60,000 patients--as many people, he points out, as died in the Vietnam War. He says that fundamental problems at the FDA led to those deaths. "People should turn to Congress and demand a drug safety system that is free from corporate influence--and a distinct center for drug safety."

In Graham's eyes, the problem at the FDA is that the same scientists who approve drugs are the ones charged with deciding whether or not they are safe enough to remain on the market when problems crop up. "There is no feedback or review process to say, 'You guys have made a big mistake,' " he says. When problems are recognized by drug safety officers, it can be hard for the message to take hold.

Graham says that he thinks there should be formal, periodic reviews of the safety of new medicines--and that the FDA should release documents that explain its reasoning.

"The FDA does not think anything it did is a mistake," he says. "None of its decisions are evidence-based.""

No evidence??? All the evidence the FDA needs is in the form of kickbacks, sweetheart deals, and lots and lots of money from the pharma companies...

I like the idea of a nice big monkey wrench being thrown in the middle of the drug approval process. Might save a couple lives...

Jenny


12 posted on 08/19/2005 6:15:41 PM PDT by Jenny Hatch (If ye are prepared, ye shall not fear!)
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To: Sans-Culotte
My doctor now prescribes a different anti-inflammatory drug called mobic. It helps, but not as well as vioxx.

Well that's strange, since Vioxx was never marketted as a superior pain killer, but rather a pain killer that wouldn't cause "gastic discomfort"

Maybe you're suffering from a bit of anti-placebo effect?

13 posted on 08/19/2005 6:33:49 PM PDT by bikepacker67
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To: madprof98

I took Vioxx also for a short time for pain and after the recommended doses, the pain was gone. It was a great drug for me.


14 posted on 08/19/2005 7:49:00 PM PDT by AUsome Joy
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To: madprof98

They still make Celebrex; they just don't advertise it any more.


15 posted on 08/19/2005 7:54:04 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (John Bolton for White House Press Secretary!)
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To: bikepacker67
You are correct, in that the cox-2 inhibitors do not seem to cause the gastric effects that NSAID's like mobic do. However, some people seem to respond to vioxx better than, say celebrex, or bextra rather than vioxx. I'm just saying mobic does not seem to work as well for me as well as vioxx did.

However, I am certain you are correct, and that it is all a placebo effect. I probably do not really have any pain at all, but am only deluding myself that I do. Those bulging discs are probably no big deal as long as I take the appropriate sugar pill. I'm sure glad you posted. I'm cured!

16 posted on 08/19/2005 7:59:24 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ("...on Earth, as it is in TEXAS")
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To: yooper
You're assumption is correct...

}^)
17 posted on 08/21/2005 12:16:35 PM PDT by The SISU kid (Politicians are like Slinkies. Good for nothing. But you smile when you push them down the stairs)
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