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Two Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court Fight
The New York Times ^ | 08/19/05 | Andrew Pollack

Posted on 08/19/2005 9:25:31 AM PDT by RoyalsFan

By ANDREW POLLACK Published: August 19, 2005 DOUGLAS, Ariz., Aug. 18 - Spent shells litter the ground at what is left of the firing range, and camouflage outfits still hang in a storeroom. Just a few months ago, this ranch was known as Camp Thunderbird, the headquarters of a paramilitary group that promised to use force to keep illegal immigrants from sneaking across the border with Mexico.

Now, in a turnabout, the 70-acre property about two miles from the border is being given to two immigrants whom the group caught trying to enter the United States illegally.

The land transfer is being made to satisfy judgments in a lawsuit in which the immigrants had said that Casey Nethercott, the owner of the ranch and a former leader of the vigilante group Ranch Rescue, had harmed them.

"Certainly it's poetic justice that these undocumented workers own this land," said Morris S. Dees Jr., co-founder and chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants in their lawsuit.

Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would "send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: banglist; civilwarii; constitutionlist; cw2; govwatch; illegalalien; invasion; judicialactivism; landgrab; ranchrescue; unbelieveable
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To: johnb838
This judge needs to be put out of business. Anybody know the name?

Read the article. The defendants settled the case.

122 posted on 08/19/2005 11:37:57 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Just_de_facts
Read the article again, it was a jury trial. I can almost 100% guarantee you it was a hispanic jury that found in their favor.

The jurors in question are American citizens and live in the same county as where these border crossings occured.

Regardless of their race, they probably have the same issues with illegals crossing the border as anyone else in the county.

So, for them to find in favor of these illegals probably says a lot as to how extreme they considered the actions of the ranch owners.

123 posted on 08/19/2005 11:38:14 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: calex59
This guy better apeal this,

He can't appeal, he settled the case. Also, according to the article, he is serving time in prison, having been convicted by a Texas jury of being a felon in possession of a gun.

124 posted on 08/19/2005 11:40:00 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Heyworth
Pistol whiping leaves marks. Big, ugly marks. Not just bruises, but cuts and broken bones.

No such marks on the illegals. But, I guess we'll just take the criminalal border invaders word for it.... right?

125 posted on 08/19/2005 11:41:30 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Aggie Mama
I saw this in Fox News this morning. I couldn't believe it. Surely, this will be overturned on appeal.

Doesn't anybody read the article before posting? He settled the case, he can't appeal.

126 posted on 08/19/2005 11:41:49 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: r9etb
Gosh. I guess we don't have to wonder where the lefties could possibly get the idea that the Minute-Man thing is a haven for frustrated nazis.....

And, what's frustrating, is that the bunch of "Shoot, Shovel and Shut Up" loons don't get that all they are doing is hurting the cause of immigration control.

127 posted on 08/19/2005 11:43:21 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: r9etb
"If he did (and I guess that's what the trial found), then illegals have just as much right to sue over bodily harm as anybody else."

WTF! These cockroaches committed the crime by being on his property. No illegal scum should have the same standing in our courts if the first friggen act they commit is entering the country illegally.

128 posted on 08/19/2005 11:43:21 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (I have the biggest organ in my town {;o))
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To: r9etb
Do you have anything rational to say to me, or do you simply like the rainbow effect as the light from your monitor refracts through your spittle?


Good one, my snarky friend. You must be an orbitologist, knowin' about all these refractin' rainbows and whatnot. That only comes from book-learnin'!

130 posted on 08/19/2005 11:47:05 AM PDT by Bird Jenkins
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To: RoyalsFan
Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would "send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence."

I could understand a decision made against the American(s) if they broke one of our laws but in no possible justifiable way should land be give to illegal immigrants it sets bad precedence for future cases in court.

This lawyer should be disbarred and thrown in jail. Is it any wonder we think lawyers are the scum of the earth.
131 posted on 08/19/2005 11:47:38 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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To: Wurlitzer
WTF! These cockroaches committed the crime by being on his property.

It doesn't matter. If you detain a trespasser on your property, you simply do not have the right to pistol-whip him.

No illegal scum should have the same standing in our courts if the first friggen act they commit is entering the country illegally.

The Constitution, and the law, protect everyone in America equally. Don't like it? Amend the Constitution.

132 posted on 08/19/2005 11:47:48 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: TheForceOfOne
This lawyer should be disbarred and thrown in jail.

For what, exactly?

133 posted on 08/19/2005 11:49:16 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: Dead Corpse
Have you noticed how the Quislings show up on every border thread?

These were the kind of demonstrators who tried to stop the Carlsbad illegal immigration forum from taking place last week, by threatening violence if it took place.

They represent the true face of the Open Borders Lobby.

This guy equates Old Glory with a Nazi Swastika.

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Neo-Communists still peddling "workers of the world unite!"

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Note the black and white Palestinian pro-terrorost jihad kefiya scarf.

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134 posted on 08/19/2005 11:49:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Bird Jenkins
Seriously now, Bird. Can you respond rationally to any of the points I've made on this thread?

For example:

What do you propose to do about the Americans who are paying the illegals to cross the border?

Do you really support the idea, as espoused by some on this thread, that it is permissible to commit crimes such as assault and murder against illegal aliens because they're "breaking the law by crossing the border?"

Well?

135 posted on 08/19/2005 11:49:31 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: moehoward
Trying to Google it up, but what was Casey's original Felony for? I tracked it back to a Felony Assault with a Firearm charge, but no details.

Was this one of those Kalifornistan things that if you once looked at a gun, but then got in a bar fight, they charge you with a felony?

136 posted on 08/19/2005 11:49:38 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: COEXERJ145
"a bloody genocidal war" as solutions to illegal immigration? All of these things are suggested daily by members of this website.

You'll have to point out your charges because I have never seen that refered to by anyone but you. How can anyone take you seriously when you continually bait and misrepresent good people on this forum? I would think the occasional nut who would say such a thing would be thrown out of here.

137 posted on 08/19/2005 11:50:31 AM PDT by WatchingInAmazement (Mi Tierra Es Mi Tierra--my land is my land.)
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To: Modernman

Looking up the articles on Google, they were found not guilty on the pistol whiping charge as the illegals kept changing their story.


138 posted on 08/19/2005 11:51:06 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Travis McGee
Are you calling me a Quisling, Travis?

If so, why?

139 posted on 08/19/2005 11:51:20 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Modernman

Something is screwed up here. I'm reading the jury was in the criminal case.

"The Salvadorans testified against Mr. Nethercott when he was tried by Texas prosecutors. The jury deadlocked on a charge of pistol-whipping but convicted Mr. Nethercott"


140 posted on 08/19/2005 11:55:19 AM PDT by moehoward
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