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How Intelligent Design Hurts Conservatives (By making us look like crackpots)
The New Republic ^ | 8/16/05 | Ross Douthat

Posted on 08/18/2005 5:17:34 PM PDT by curiosity

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To: WildTurkey

Migration:does THAT make ya smarter?

These ducks will soon outwit the hunters!


821 posted on 08/20/2005 6:03:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

I see that any attempt at serious discussion goes right over your head.


822 posted on 08/20/2005 6:04:12 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
A merciful God would not lay suffering on the innocent.

God told me to tell you that you are wrong: "I AM made ya, and by Myself, I AM can break ya."

823 posted on 08/20/2005 6:04:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Because history is not entirely unrecorded. Forensic evidence is more reliable than eyewitness evidence in many cases. It is certainly more reliable if there is a conflict between the two.


824 posted on 08/20/2005 6:05:32 PM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: WildTurkey
It's a sin to lie

It ain't a lie if I'm programmed to do it, and, since I did it, by your own rules you've stated here, God did it.


HE's responsible - right?
825 posted on 08/20/2005 6:06:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: WildTurkey
To bad you missed the train.

Better than missing something more important.

826 posted on 08/20/2005 6:07:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: WildTurkey

I have not seen any 'discussion' yet, merely jibes flying back and forth.


827 posted on 08/20/2005 6:09:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: curiosity
The appeal of "intelligent design" to the American right is obvious.

What arrogant idiots these leftist goons are. The American right consists of lots of people who are scientifically sophisticated, and reject the leftists' ridiculous ideas of what makes America tick.

828 posted on 08/20/2005 6:09:08 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: js1138
Forensic evidence is more reliable than eyewitness evidence in many cases.

If the mere interpretation of forensic evidence is what constitutes science, then why is it "unscientific" to interpret biological entities that function as machines to be the product of intelligent design?

829 posted on 08/20/2005 6:09:21 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Elsie
Better than missing something more important.

I see that you missed responding to my post in an educated manner. Or, was it that I just blew you out of the water with that post?

830 posted on 08/20/2005 6:10:12 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Elsie
I have not seen any 'discussion' yet, merely jibes flying back and forth.

Can't read?

831 posted on 08/20/2005 6:11:17 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

I watched the train for years but never jumped on board because in thinking for myself, I noticed the train you mentioned never appeared to be on the right track.


832 posted on 08/20/2005 6:13:45 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: RJL
If one of our Mars rovers discovers a city on Mars are scientists going to assume that the rocks "evolved" into the buildings, or will they see that an intelligent design took place?

Very neat point!

833 posted on 08/20/2005 6:17:54 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: Fester Chugabrew
For the simple reason that no testable design hypothesis has been put forward. Until design advocates have a research program, design is not science. You don't seem to remember anything I post, but I have said many time that design is not the issue. Living things have tha apperance of design, but the source of their design is selection.

Selection is not just a WAG. It implies many things and predicts many knnds of evidence that were not available when the hypothesis was first formulated. And many kinds of evidence not yet found. It predicted, for example, the minimum age of the earth at a time when physics was wildly off base. In short, it has survived 150 years of accumulated evidence.

834 posted on 08/20/2005 6:17:56 PM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: curiosity

I would rather stand up for God than be on the side of pure evil like the left no matter what the cost thank you very much.


835 posted on 08/20/2005 6:19:30 PM PDT by ladyinred (Leftist=Anti American!)
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To: Clemenza

In order to know what God's intelligent design really is, you would have to be as intelligent as he is. Maybe his "design" is for life to evolve--what works works, what doesn't dies out. Maybe it's something for us to ponder in our own lives---what works makes our lives and the lives of those around us better, what doesn't makes people unhappy and is commonly called sin and the souls of those who practice it tend to die. Maybe. He didn't create us as robots, after all. He gave us free will (sorry, Calvin). The beauty of life, physical and spiritual, is motion: adaptation and change and the possibility of improvement. Not that the species aren't beautiful per se. But evolution is beautiful too.


836 posted on 08/20/2005 6:20:14 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: js1138
Well, you have a way of explaining biological machines and how they came about, but the simplest thing to infer when one comes across an entity that functions like a machine is that it has a designer. Again, forensic evidence - I am addressing the matter of a 4.5 billion year old earth and common descent - if that is all that is needed to make for science, then intelligent design beats evolutionism hands down as a more reasonable explanation.

Do you really think science needs a testable design hypothesis to tell the difference between a machine and a non-machine?

837 posted on 08/20/2005 6:25:19 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Torie; cajungirl
A natural life span if everything works is about 100

Actually it's about 40. That's when your immune system starts to shut down, because it's not needed anymore, as it no longer matters whether you live or not.

838 posted on 08/20/2005 6:25:32 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Parkhill's Waterfront Grill delenda est (pour encourager les autres))
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To: plain talk

It is difficult for humans to comprehend things that exceed their lifetime. That is why we have written history, art---and religion: an attempt to give the next generation the wisdom of the preceding ones. Evolution is one of those things. The so-called fossil record is one pinpoint in the story, completely incapable of explaining by itself the minute, step-by-step changes that have vanished and left no record.


839 posted on 08/20/2005 6:26:17 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Oztrich Boy

I seem at 54 to have beat the odds then, along with most adults across the developed globe. Odd. Yes, I know you were elliptically suggesting something about procreation. Males however seem to be able to do that too past 40. It must be some sort of evolutionary gender discrimination. Sue the evolutionist. He is not PC.


840 posted on 08/20/2005 6:29:35 PM PDT by Torie
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