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How Intelligent Design Hurts Conservatives (By making us look like crackpots)
The New Republic ^ | 8/16/05 | Ross Douthat

Posted on 08/18/2005 5:17:34 PM PDT by curiosity

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To: curiosity

http://www.caseforacreator.com/home.php

a very good book.


21 posted on 08/18/2005 5:27:03 PM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: curiosity
Key part of article:

Maureen Dowd, in her inimitable way, summed up the liberal argument earlier this year:

Exploiting God for political ends has set off powerful, scary forces in America: a retreat on teaching evolution, most recently in Kansas; fights over sex education . . . a demonizing of gays; and a fear of stem cell research, which could lead to more of a "culture of life" than keeping one vegetative woman hooked up to a feeding tube.

He loves Maureen Dowd. 'Nuff said.

22 posted on 08/18/2005 5:27:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: curiosity

No issue makes us look like a bunch of uneducated moonbats than the NUTS who push junk science known as "intelligent design" based on a fairy tale.


23 posted on 08/18/2005 5:27:37 PM PDT by Clemenza (Pirro is Hillary with an (R))
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To: curiosity

The left doesn't have a clue about anything intelligent. Let them get vociferous over something they know nothing about.


24 posted on 08/18/2005 5:27:43 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: CasearianDaoist
But what you are saying is that rhetoric must prevail over reason.

No, quite the opposite. Intelligent design is irrational, and that is why it will sink us in the end. Reason will prevail eventually.

25 posted on 08/18/2005 5:27:54 PM PDT by curiosity (.)
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
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A pro-evolution science list with over 300 names.
See the list's explanation at my freeper homepage.
Then FReepmail to be added or dropped.

26 posted on 08/18/2005 5:28:08 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: curiosity

There are many arguments that evolution is part of intelligent design and a rather beautiful and elegant part of that design to boot. In the same way man guided the evolution of canines to todays great danes and chiuauas so too is there a divine hand in the evolution and creation of all the world's creatures.

What's funny is that some of the people who support intelligent design the most aren't ignorant bible thumping conservatives but pysisists and astronomers on the bleeding edge of science who must deal with the impossibility of all this being a random coincidence on a daily basis.

And that is why intelligent design will ultimately succeed because it's not just faith which backs it up its the fact that if the "settings" of the universe were off by a billionth of a billionth of a percentage point (speed of light, electron volt, etc) the life, the universe and everything would simply not exist at all.


27 posted on 08/18/2005 5:28:54 PM PDT by pcx99
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To: little jeremiah
He was only using Dowd as an example of how the Left is using ID against us.

Some people are truly blind.

28 posted on 08/18/2005 5:29:25 PM PDT by curiosity (.)
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To: curiosity
I'll add "crackpot" to the long list of other names Lefties call conservatives (to no avail with me): bigot, intolerant, racist, homophobe, right-winger, war-mongeror, Jesus freak, etc., etc., blah, blah, blah...
29 posted on 08/18/2005 5:29:43 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: curiosity
Take the stem-cell debate, where the great questions are moral, not scientific--whether embryonic human life should be created and destroyed to prolong adult human life. Liberals might win that argument on the merits, but it's by no means a sure thing.

What merits? The Utilitarian Code of Merit? Liberals, libertarians, and conservatives who support stealing my money to kill human beings don't argue the case on its merits, they lie, obfuscate and instill false hope and fear in those afraid of their own mortality.

30 posted on 08/18/2005 5:29:52 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: CommieCutter

Your link is broken.


31 posted on 08/18/2005 5:30:15 PM PDT by curiosity (.)
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To: plain talk
Personally, I believe that the theory of evolution is a good attempt by man to explain and predict the Divine Creator's construct.

Do I believe the Earth is only a few thousand years old? No. Do I believe God is built the universe and everything in it as He saw fit? You bet. And part of our job is to honor and celebrate this wondrous creation by appreciating it and trying to understand the sheer magnitude and magificience of its complexity.

32 posted on 08/18/2005 5:30:33 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: curiosity

Well, I think that, superficially, much of "the public" would agree with the notion that the world is "designed."


33 posted on 08/18/2005 5:31:38 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: Clemenza

still waiting for the scientist to duplicate evolution in the lab.


34 posted on 08/18/2005 5:32:19 PM PDT by pipecorp (Let's have a CRUSADE! , the muslims have already started. 1500 replies and not a single post!)
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To: Clemenza

So you believe in...what? The theory of willy-nillyism? Accidental everything?

How sad for you.

And how ignorant you will appear in a few years. Most of the scientific community is actually moving toward intelligent design, by that or several other names which mean the same thing.


35 posted on 08/18/2005 5:32:21 PM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: Jeff Head
Embracing intelligent design does not make anyone a book burner or anything like it. It is a matter of faith and

Exactly, intelligent design is a matter of faith. Unfortunately, some crackpots are trying to push it off as science. That's the problem. That's what makes us look like moonbats.

36 posted on 08/18/2005 5:32:35 PM PDT by curiosity (.)
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To: curiosity

Outstanding find. Douthat eloquently expresses the fears that many of us here on FR have also held about what ID will do to conservatism.


37 posted on 08/18/2005 5:33:11 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is not conservative!)
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To: curiosity
Evolution has nothing to do with godlessness.

That statement was designed no understanding of what generations have considered godless.

38 posted on 08/18/2005 5:33:35 PM PDT by Zechariah11
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To: curiosity
What began as a critique of Darwinian theory, pointing out aspects of biological life that modification-through-natural-selection has difficulty explaining, is now foolishly proposed as an alternative to Darwinism

I know next to nothing about Intelligent Design.

Do all Intelligent Design proponents, nowdays, believe exactly the same thing -- that it is an alternative to Darwinism?

I do know I was taught in HS Biology, 40 years ago, that the theory of evolution was acceptable as long as one believed God was behind whatever evolution took place. That has always seemed, to me, like the common sense to way to look at the world.

Was what I was taught the same as "Intelligent Design"?

39 posted on 08/18/2005 5:33:54 PM PDT by syriacus (Cindy doesn't want our soldiers to shoot insurgent bombers who are murdering small Iraqi children.)
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To: MizSterious
Most of the scientific community is actually moving toward intelligent design, by that or several other names which mean the same thing.

Do you have references for this claim?
40 posted on 08/18/2005 5:34:06 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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