[curiosity]

Embracing intelligent design does not make anyone a book burner or anything like it. It is a matter of faith and

Exactly, intelligent design is a matter of faith. Unfortunately, some crackpots are trying to push it off as science. That's the problem. That's what makes us look like moonbats.

[MizSterious]

Your problem, with your crackpot theory, is that you don't realize how many scientists have said there MUST be some form of intelligent design. Some of them ex-atheists, some from Hindu and Buddhist faiths, and even some among what's termed "new agers." So many from so many different walks of life, the majority of which are NOT Christians, have said the same thing based on the scientific evidence.

[Jeff Head]

Ahh...but the other "theories" themselves also end up really being a matter of faith as well...faith in those theories. There is no proven fact in this fight. Both are based on various components of science and belief.

Intelligent design is not without science to back it up, and objective reasoning to support it...in most cases the objective reasoning in support of intelligent design is patently much stronger IMHO than evolution...but also rejected and denied on its face in a very unscientific and subjective way by the other side.

My point was that those supporting the theories of evolution apply their own version of faith in that support, whether they call it that or not.

[Pipeline]

Faith is when you believe humans will someday discover the origins of and learn to create matter. Science has all but proved the process that is evolution but it seems unreasonable to think that matter was just always here and the 109 base units were not designed intelligently when you consider the universe and everything in it is made from 109 base units.

Where did the elements come from?