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Group Wants to Bring African Animals to North America
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/ ^ | 8 18 05 | JOSEPH B. VERRENGIA,

Posted on 08/18/2005 12:48:35 PM PDT by freepatriot32

DENVER (Aug. 17) - If a group of prominent ecologists have their way, lions and elephants could someday be roaming the Great Plains of North America

The idea of transplanting African wildlife to this continent is being greeted with gasps and groans from other scientists and conservationists who recall previous efforts to relocate foreign species halfway around the world, often with disastrous results.

But the proposal's supporters say it could help save some species from extinction in Africa, where protection is spotty and habitats are vanishing. They say the relocated animals could also restore the biodiversity in North America to a condition closer to what it was before humans overran the landscape more than 10,000 years ago.

Most modern African species never lived on the American prairie, the scientists acknowledge. But some of their biological cousins like mastodons, camels and saber-toothed cats, roamed for more than 1 million years alongside antelope and herds of bison until Ice Age glaciers retreated and humans started arriving.

The rapid extinction of dozens of large mammal species in North America - perhaps due to a combination of climate change and overhunting - triggered a landslide of changes to the environmental landscape. Relocating large animals to vast ecological parks and private reserves would begin to repair the damage, proponents say, while offering new ecotourism opportunities to a withering region.

The scientists' plan appears in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature. It is attracting interest from some influential circles, including media mogul Ted Turner, America's largest private landowner. He owns huge ranches in several states to support his commercial bison operation and personal conservation initiatives.

But the plan is also generating criticism on both sides of the conservation debate.

"It is not restoration to introduce animals that were never here," said University of Washington anthropologist Donald K. Grayson. "Why introduce Old World camels and lions when there are North American species that could benefit from the same kind of effort?"

Others wonder whether people would support African lions making a home on the range, given the opposition to the reintroduction of native wolves in the rural West.

"Just when you think the world has gotten as weird as it can get, something like this comes along," said Steve Pilcher, executive vice president of the Montana Stockgrowers Association.

"I wonder how many calves or lambs it would take to feed a family of lions for a month?" Pilcher mused. "We sort of know what it takes for wolves, but something tells me we would be in a whole new ball game."

Some wildlife conservationists said the idea would further damage the prospects of both threatened species and Africa's hopes for sustainable economic development.

"Such relocations would affect future tourism opportunities for Africa," said Elizabeth Wamba, the East Africa spokeswoman for the International Fund for Animal Welfare in Nairobi, Kenya. "The welfare of the animals would have been reduced by transporting and exposing them to different eco-climatic conditions."

Critics also point to calamitous relocations of foreign species in Australia. Rabbits brought from Europe swarmed across parts of the Outback, and noxious cane toads brought from South America to control bugs in sugar cane fields killed native wildlife.

The authors of the new plan say they are not discouraged.

"We are not saying this is going to be easy," said Cornell University ecologist Josh Donlan, the lead author of the proposal. "There are huge and substantial risks and obstacles."

The plan grew from a retreat at Turner's New Mexico ranch - a 155,000-acre property in the foothills of the Gila Mountains that contains a mix of ecosystems ranging from desert grasslands to pine forests.

Ecologists are using the ranch to experiment with reintroducing the Bolson tortoise to the region. These 100-pound burrowers were once found across the Southwest, but now survive only in a corner of northern Mexico's Chihuahuan Desert.

The scientists' discussion expanded to consider long-extinct Pleistocene species that have modern counterparts elsewhere in the world.

For example, a larger American cheetah once stalked pronghorn on these lands, with both species evolving special features that enabled them to accelerate to 60 mph. Today, pronghorns rarely are chased, except by the occasional pickup truck.

In Africa, modern cheetahs are being exterminated as vermin, with fewer than 2,000 remaining in some countries. Relocation could help both species retain important traits, the plan's proponents say.

Other living species that are counterparts to Pleistocene-era animals in North America include wild horses and asses, Bactrian camels, elephants and lions.

Donlan concedes that lions would be a tough sell to Americans.

"Lions eat people," he said. "There has to be a pretty serious attitude shift on how you view predators."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
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To: freepatriot32

Well, okay, but only if we feed them environmentalists.


41 posted on 08/18/2005 1:30:37 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: CSM

Kudzu is a vine. It was planted throughout various areas in the south in an attempt to control erosion.

Having no natural enemies here, it rapidly spread to the poin that there are areas in the south which become absolutely covered in the stuff every summer. If you drive in the south and see some kind of green viney stuff covering everything in sight, including telephone poles, wires, trees, etc, that is kudzu.


42 posted on 08/18/2005 1:33:40 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: surely_you_jest

Wow. Thanks for the information. Don't stand in one place to long!


43 posted on 08/18/2005 1:37:43 PM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: freepatriot32
They think there's more room on the Great Plains of America than there is in Africa?
Maroons!
44 posted on 08/18/2005 2:11:44 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Corin Stormhands
You know, at one time they thought it was a good idea to import kudzu...

I've seen it in it's natural environment. Does the same thing in the MS Delta as it does in Japan! Apparently you can't kill the stuff THERE either!

45 posted on 08/18/2005 2:14:38 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw
In or around White Sands National Monument in New Mexico there are about 400,000 African Orynx or African Antelope.

Just an observation.........:)

46 posted on 08/18/2005 2:19:12 PM PDT by Recon by Fire
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To: Lekker 1

they're not that cleverly hidden. I can usually spot several on my way to work or around my office within minutes, if not seconds. All they have to do is talk.


47 posted on 08/18/2005 2:19:29 PM PDT by timtoews5292004
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To: freepatriot32
They say the relocated animals could also restore the biodiversity in North America to a condition closer to what it was before humans overran the landscape more than 10,000 years ago.
But, but, but I thought the Indians (or for those of you in Berkley, Native Americans) were so "in-tune" with nature </sarcasm_extreme_lefty>

"Just when you think the world has gotten as weird as it can get, something like this comes along," said Steve Pilcher, executive vice president of the Montana Stockgrowers Association.

"I wonder how many calves or lambs it would take to feed a family of lions for a month?" Pilcher mused. "We sort of know what it takes for wolves, but something tells me we would be in a whole new ball game."

And thus we come to the real goal of Red Turner and company; the elimination of the livelihoods of the likes of the Montana Stockgrowers Association.
48 posted on 08/18/2005 2:20:01 PM PDT by steveegg (Real torture is taking a ride with Sen Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy in a 1968 Oldsmobile off a short bridge)
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To: SuziQ

Its all over the place in the hills of kentucky, too. such a waste of natural beauty if you ask me. Nothing like seeing 80+ foot tall pine trees cover 2/3 of the way up with what looks like a bunch of big clover leafs.


49 posted on 08/18/2005 2:21:06 PM PDT by timtoews5292004
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To: mhking
I can see it now...you're driving down the road when your SUV is slammed in the side by a rampaging herd of rhinos...

Which is another reason why these particular envirowhackos want to bring them over here.

50 posted on 08/18/2005 2:21:50 PM PDT by steveegg (Real torture is taking a ride with Sen Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy in a 1968 Oldsmobile off a short bridge)
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To: freepatriot32

Unless global warming speeds up a lot, I doubt that lions, tigers and rhinos would find living through a Dakota winter too pleasant. What about the native or near native species? Wouldn't lions eat our deer, pheasants, prairie dogs etc.?


51 posted on 08/18/2005 2:23:17 PM PDT by The Great RJ (q)
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To: CSM

kudzu is an ivy-like plant imported from japan. it is next to impossible to contain in the wild, and makes things it grows on look ugly.


52 posted on 08/18/2005 2:23:41 PM PDT by timtoews5292004
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To: T Minus Four; proudtoberight
> Could we put lions along the borders?

OK, that's just pure genius! Let's have a wildlife preserve three miles wide and as long as the Mexican/US border.

There's an idea. May I suggest pirhanas in the Rio Grande?

53 posted on 08/18/2005 2:23:41 PM PDT by steveegg (Real torture is taking a ride with Sen Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy in a 1968 Oldsmobile off a short bridge)
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To: steveegg
Which is another reason why these particular envirowhackos want to bring them over here.

Guess I need to put a 'Roo bar on the front of my Grand Cherokee...

54 posted on 08/18/2005 2:24:21 PM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: freepatriot32
As long as they stay on Ted's land then fine. The moment they wonder off though... BLAMO!! Trophies for anyone lucky enough to nail one.
55 posted on 08/18/2005 2:24:40 PM PDT by monday
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To: freepatriot32
If a group of prominent ecologists have their way, lions and elephants could someday be roaming the Great Plains of North America.


56 posted on 08/18/2005 2:26:58 PM PDT by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: Dallas59

"Why do rich people go crazy??????"

There is a clinical term you may be familiar with. Assholez.


57 posted on 08/18/2005 2:28:24 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Marine_Uncle

You don't have to be rich to be crazy. I know a lot of dead broke leftists at my office who are nuttier than squirrel turds.


58 posted on 08/18/2005 2:30:45 PM PDT by timtoews5292004
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To: Dallas59
"Why do rich people go crazy??????"

There aren't any more crazy rich people than their are crazy poor people. The rich ones just have enough money to make life miserable for everyone else. There are plenty of neurotic and power mad poor people too. They are just too poor to make nuisances of themselves.
59 posted on 08/18/2005 2:33:37 PM PDT by monday
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To: monday

Rich People are "eccentric"....poor people are "crazy". ;)


60 posted on 08/18/2005 2:37:10 PM PDT by FeliciaCat (I like my money where I can see it...hanging in my closet.)
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