Jewish Settler Kills 2, Wounds 4 Palestinians

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[Alex Marko]

Jewish Settler opens fire on Palestinians in the West Bank: Fox News Breaking Story

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[johnb838]

The Israeli leftists are the ones that are pushing for the punishment of the settlers.

[notigar]

but do you really think he thought they were terrorists? Why drive them in then?

[hiredhand]

We have no idea. The global forces behind this just burned the wrong bunch of people.

Truly the forces behind this are blind. Even in purely secular terms this is NOT a wise and prudent move!

There's a passage about (paraphrasing here)... "Those who bless Israel will be blessed....those who curse Israel will be cursed."

Where does this place America now?!

[johnb838]

The part that Israel had was NOT a dump. The part that the palesites had was and always WILL BE a dump. Soon, the part the Israelis have been expelled from will be a dump too.

[Mr. Mojo]

He [Abbas] has not even lifted a finger to fulfill the obligations under the "road map"

The "roadmap" is a one-way steet where the Palies aren't required to hold up their end of the deal -- the stated "conditions" were just for show. ...and to get the ball a-rollin'.

Israel making this very huge concession has caused Abbas to demand EVEN MORE CONCESSIONS in return for his doing nothing.

As was expected. Folks have been arguing about whether or not the pullout is in fact rewarding terror (the people who think it's not rewarding terror seem to be convinced that we're witnessing a brilliant strategic move that will greatly benefit Israel in the long run, and that Gaza is the only place that will be conceded while Israel's presence in the W. Bank will be strenghtened), but no one can deny that the Gaza pullout gives the appearance of rewarding terror. .....which is always a bad thing.

[E Rocc]

Your anti-semitism is showing.

Saying the President's first duty is to America is anti-semitism now?

-Eric

[E Rocc]

(at least temporarily)

?????

I don't neccesarily believe in heaven and hell, but if they exist, I suspect I know where Arafat's going.

-Eric

[hiredhand]

The problem isn't that the CINC has a Constitutional duty to protect Israel, but moreso that America has now outwardly become AGGRESSIVE toward Israel!

This is truly an historic, albiet horrific event. Like I said in a previously post, as a nation we should have at minimum taken a passive stance and issued a statement of condemnation for the pullout from Gaza.

But instead of being passive and simply making a statement, this nation has assisted in aggression towards Israelis!

Lets see now....all you historians out there. What's happened to every nation on this planet (since Israel has become a nation) who have aggressed Israel?

Yeah...we all KNOW the answer. It's a BAD place to be!

[tertiary01]

Also, didn't the Gaza settlers contribute to Israel's economy and food supply? I don't see how concentrating the Jewish population, will do anything more than make it dependent on more outside support.

[E Rocc]

What concession is he making, or has even offered?

Curbing his radicals. That's likely a full time job right now.

-Eric

[johnb838]

I understand the retreat and trap. There are problems with it in this case though:

1) Israel has very little room to maneuver.

2) Sharon cannot be sure of remaining in office long enough to carry out his strategy (or remaining alive for that matter, he is 79).

3) It is questionable whether Israel is strong enough internally to resist the screeching of the Global Community at the harsh action that they will need to take to drive the palesites away from the wall, to keep it from being destroyed.

4) It is questionable whether Israel is strong enough internally to resist the screeching of the vampire bat Condoleeza Rice and her puppet master George W. Booosh to accede to the palesite demands for a full pullout from the west bank beginning on 4 September.

Shameful.

[E Rocc]

Also, didn't the Gaza settlers contribute to Israel's economy and food supply? I don't see how concentrating the Jewish population, will do anything more than make it dependent on more outside support.

Israel made the decision that it wasn't worth the security headaches. Withdrawing from Gaza means a more defendable border. Possibly a new wall as well.

-Eric

[Brad’s Gramma]

There's a passage about (paraphrasing here)... "Those who bless Israel will be blessed....those who curse Israel will be cursed."

Where does this place America now?!




In my opinion, reading Scripture as it's stated, we're in deep doo doo.

[E Rocc]

The problem isn't that the CINC has a Constitutional duty to protect Israel, but moreso that America has now outwardly become AGGRESSIVE toward Israel!

Not at all. We've asked our friend to move towards peace. As part of that, we've asked them to reverse an action they took, an action that violated an international agreement we both signed. An action that every single President since it was taken has opposed.

Gaza is not Israel. It's not even legally part of Israel.

-Eric

[hiredhand]

Hi Gramma! Yeah...this is most DEFINITELY a bad place to be! I'm just so amazed that sufficient words escape me.

Truly this is the sort of thing that should bring all Americans to their knees and ask the Lord for forgiveness when He judges our nation for this....because as a nation, we are in the WRONG. That leaves it between individuals and G*d now!

[SJackson]

The problem isn't that the CINC has a Constitutional duty to protect Israel, but moreso that America has now outwardly become AGGRESSIVE toward Israel!

I'm not sure that's accurate, there's been a lot of posturing in support of Abbas. And if it is, GWB wouldn't be the first politician to break campaign promises and positions.

[technochick99]

From another thread:

To: technochick99
If it doesn't lead to peace, why is it necessary?

In order to protect 8,500 settlers in Gaza we needed as many or more soldiers -- and we still couldn't keep the settlers safe. The situation is untenable and unsustainable. There is no way to adequately protect 8,500 Jews in the midst of 1.3 million hostile Arabs. It can't be done.

If we keep all of the territories Arabs become the majority west of the Jordan in short order. How can we remain a Jewish state and a democracy if we have to incorporate these Arabs into our population? Simply, we can't. This is why the Palestinians started talking about a "one state solution". We can never permit that to happen.

Gaza is a crowded, poor, desolate hole. We tried to give it to Egypt. They didn't want it back. We tried to give it to Jordan. They don't want it either. Nobody does. It is ungovernable and unmanageable.

What Israel needs is secure borders and safety for its citizens. We take away the easy targets for the terrorists and wall them in with the most sophisticated barrier known to man. If the attack from within their walls the IAF can respond without fear of killing any Jews.

Security and demographics both argue for disengagement. If it also, as a side benefit, improves our standing in the world and makes the Palestinians look like barbarians, that is all for the good.
6 posted on 08/15/2005 1:09:40 PM CDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)

[technochick99]

I thought I'd ping you to let you know I am quoting you!

[hiredhand]

Not at all. We've asked our friend to move towards peace. As part of that, we've asked them to reverse an action they took, an action that violated an international agreement we both signed. An action that every single President since it was taken has opposed.

Gaza is not Israel. It's not even legally part of Israel.

-Eric

That international agreement (A.K.A. ceasefire) was BROKEN long ago by Hamas! The territories were taken by act of war...a war who's sole purpose was to drive the Jews into the sea.

Isreal is being held to an unfair standard. This entire thread proves this. Arab terrorists murder and main untold numbers of Israelis... but ONE Israeli follows suit and the world "descends" upon them.

Are you aware the there is a large movement in Mexico that believes that portions of Texas and Arizona were taken illegally and still "legally" belong to Mexico?

But this isn't Mexico we're talking about....it's ISRAEL, and even people who know little about end times prophesy watch the tiny nation.

Why a whole new "state"? If (as you say), this is "illegal", then why isn't the land given back to the countries from which it was taken? You know why? I know why! It's because NOBODY wants that stinking bunch of Arab terrorists called Philishtim (palestinians)! Even the nations from which they came don't want them!

This entire world issue of Islam/Israel/America is based on a big "legal vs moral" philosophy. It's here because of people who don't understand right and wrong from a moral perspective. The "law" is easy to understand. But to know right and wrong from God's perspective requires that you know Him.

Lest I have to remind anybody, Arafat had his CHANCE to have a "state" back in the mid 90's and he turned it DOWN because he couldn't have JERUSALEM!

Legal "schmegal"....whatever. This is WRONG, and our nation is helping it to move along. No good can come from this.