Posted on 08/16/2005 9:05:54 PM PDT by U.H. Conservative
he White House is planning a new push to change the nation's immigration laws, looking in part for businesses to lobby Congress to pass measures that give more foreign-born workers legal status while also toughening lax enforcement.
But the conflicting interests of President Bush's big-business supporters, who believe the economy needs more workers, and some Republican Party conservatives -- who have made a top priority of clamping down on illegal immigration in the name of national security -- threaten the prospects for a quick deal.
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And just as the constant cry of racist drained the charge of its power to all but the most faint-hearted of conservatives (sadly a group too well represented amongst the political class), the class warfare cliche is becoming laughable. When the Journal, hardly a tool of an inarguably left-wing media, runs a front page story on how it is business interests who stand to gain the most in flooding America with cheap labor ,the case is fairly well closed.
This story also helps put paid to the hoary myth that Bush's policy is designed to fill "jobs Americans won't take." The H1-b visas discussed later in the story are not for maids and construction workers. By the way, when exactly did Americans stop doing these jobs? Could it be after illegal aliens distorted the wage market and depressed below what an American can survive on?
But I digress. Back to H-1b visas. The people brought in under these visas are computer programmers and other knowledge workers. These are the very jobs that are touted as being created when we either export manufacturing positions abroad or import Third World laborers to fill those jobs at home.
But wait, defenders (Yes, there are defenders.) of this policy will say that Americans are dumbing down and aren't getting the education necessary to do these jobs.
Maybe, just maybe, these Americans aren't as dumb as critics think. Maybe these young people don;t see the value in spending tens of thousands of dollars (if you get a bargain) on educating themselves for jobs that will vanish just as the student loans come due. Maybe these young people have seen what happened to their blue collar friends in the construction trades and are scared of history repeating itself higher up the economic food chain.
But this is probably just class warfare.
Are they trying to lose the Senate or something? What idiocy! Americans are fed up with uncontrolled illegal immigration.
Ping.
Morons come up with new twists on "gun control" when we have 20,000 laws on the books. Does anyone see the analogy?
1. The conservatives and the Reagan dems (values based voters) want to close the border.
2. The business types want cheap labor--illegal is fine with them because they can play loose with the benefits.
3. The left wants lots of legals and illegals to come as fast as possible and to make them citizens as fast as possible so they will vote for dems.
The status quo favors the business types--no border enforcement and no employer sanctions enforced favors the business who want the cheap labor. Neither of the other two factions can build a majority for their point of view against the opposition of the business types.
The status quo also favors the dems because, as the party out of power, they will be able to posture about getting tough on the borders without actually having to do anything (see eg HRC and Bill Richardson). At the same time, it weakens the R's because our coalition is hopelessly split on the issue--the money favors the status quo but the base favors option 1. It's a perfect wedge issue for the rats and they will use it successfully to peel some of the values based voters from the Rep's. Also, if the Conservatives start getting close to actual border security reform, the big business money is going to start flowing to dems instead of R's.
Prediction--nothing will happen until things get much worse. The coalition to get something done just isn't there.
What to think? We need the labor, but we can't allow people to benefit from breaking the law.
No they don't. Conservatives are not anti-immigration. Don't confuse conservatives with the Buchananites. They are the furtherest thing from conservative.
And Reagan was definitely not anti-immigration. He granted blanket amnesty to all illegals in the country.
People who were active in the conservative Republican movement in the 60s thru 80s remember the real Ronald Reagan, not the revisionist one that some demagogues try to invent to support their positions.
They need Hispanic votes
Simple as that
Wow, that is amazing! The >90% of Freepers who are for more secure borders are not Conservatives, but Buchananites.
Most of these Freepers didn't even know they were Buchananites, and will be surprised to learn this.
do you trade the hope of hispanic votes for losing your solid conservative base? what a bunch of idiots
Two dem governors have ordered the southern borders closed because of violence. When are they going to wake up???
Seriously, I'm surprised LaRaza and the Mexican government haven't demanded "equal pay for equal work", or something to that effect.
The problem is going to get so bad that we will not be able to "round up the illegals and send 'em back". Look at the trouble Israel has with its relatively tiny job in Gaza. Do we really think rounding up 15-20 million illegals is going to be a cakewalk?
Triple the tax rate of any business that knowingly employs illegal aliens. They will walk back to Mexico, swim back to China, etc. unless, with 1% of the way home, they stop in kollyforneah, Texas, New Mexico, etc. and just squat there for eternity, effectively taking those states over...
Do you oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people (such as the World Trade Organization)? Do you believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty?
You're so full of crap.
Number one, no one here is "anti-immigration". We're anti-illegal immigration. Many of us are for reforming our immigration laws to be more sensible and more beneficial toward Americans while enhancing border security. To call us "anti-immigration" is to borrow a tactic from your comrades in the marxist LaRaza movement.
Second, Free Republic is the premiere conservative forum on the Internet. It is populated with conservatives. Free Republic polls show that conservatives want to secure the border. The majority of respondents disagree with your ideas on the border. It is YOU who has been proven to not be a conservative by your constant opposition to the conservative majority held position and by your constant alliance with the leftist La Raza and SPLC groups and your employment of leftist tactics and language.
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,
1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.
And Reagan was definitely not anti-immigration. He granted blanket amnesty to all illegals in the country.
You left out the part where he later called it the biggest regret of his presidency. Remember that, Mister "I have no close Hispanic friends, but they sure come in handy when you need your lawn mowed"?
Why should we pay welfare to able bodied welfare groupies if "we need" Mexican workers?
OK fine. Merge Mexico and America into Mexermerica but STOP welfare.
. . . Well, not so fine. Seal the borders with troops and manhunt all illegal aliens, ship them out and send Fox the bill!
It is time for Americans to rise up and revolt. Our nation has turned against us.
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