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To: ModelBreaker
"The conservatives and the Reagan dems (values based voters) want to close the border."

No they don't. Conservatives are not anti-immigration. Don't confuse conservatives with the Buchananites. They are the furtherest thing from conservative.

And Reagan was definitely not anti-immigration. He granted blanket amnesty to all illegals in the country.

People who were active in the conservative Republican movement in the 60s thru 80s remember the real Ronald Reagan, not the revisionist one that some demagogues try to invent to support their positions.

9 posted on 08/16/2005 9:55:53 PM PDT by bayourod (Winning elections is the only thing Those who glorify losing are unclear on the concept of democrac)
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To: bayourod
Conservatives are not anti-immigration. Don't confuse conservatives with the Buchananites.

Wow, that is amazing! The >90% of Freepers who are for more secure borders are not Conservatives, but Buchananites.

Most of these Freepers didn't even know they were Buchananites, and will be surprised to learn this.

11 posted on 08/16/2005 10:13:59 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: bayourod; Itzlzha; NRA2BFree; Happy2BMe; Spiff; Pelham; Das Outsider; moehoward; ...
Modelbreaker said: "The conservatives and the Reagan dems (values based voters) want to close the border."

No they don't. Conservatives are not anti-immigration. Don't confuse conservatives with the Buchananites. They are the furtherest thing from conservative. --Bayourod





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14 posted on 08/16/2005 10:22:49 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: bayourod

Do you oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people (such as the World Trade Organization)? Do you believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty?


16 posted on 08/16/2005 10:42:46 PM PDT by afnamvet (Jet Noise...The Sound of Freedomâ„¢)
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To: bayourod
Conservatives are not anti-immigration. Don't confuse conservatives with the Buchananites. They are the furtherest thing from conservative.

You're so full of crap.

Number one, no one here is "anti-immigration". We're anti-illegal immigration. Many of us are for reforming our immigration laws to be more sensible and more beneficial toward Americans while enhancing border security. To call us "anti-immigration" is to borrow a tactic from your comrades in the marxist LaRaza movement.

Second, Free Republic is the premiere conservative forum on the Internet. It is populated with conservatives. Free Republic polls show that conservatives want to secure the border. The majority of respondents disagree with your ideas on the border. It is YOU who has been proven to not be a conservative by your constant opposition to the conservative majority held position and by your constant alliance with the leftist La Raza and SPLC groups and your employment of leftist tactics and language.

17 posted on 08/16/2005 10:56:22 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: bayourod
Speaking of revisionist history...

And Reagan was definitely not anti-immigration. He granted blanket amnesty to all illegals in the country.

You left out the part where he later called it the biggest regret of his presidency. Remember that, Mister "I have no close Hispanic friends, but they sure come in handy when you need your lawn mowed"?

19 posted on 08/16/2005 11:24:10 PM PDT by cartman90210 ("Sorry kids, those people from the future will do the same job for 25 cents!")
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To: bayourod
Here's a keeper:

"Citizen-of-the-world types are resistant to the idea of tightening our borders, and especially resistant to the idea of making a distinction between people from different countries. But the real problem is not their self-righteous fetishes but the fact that they have intimidated so many other people into silence."~ Thomas Sowell



26 posted on 08/17/2005 8:43:45 AM PDT by FBD ("...the border is a dangerous place..."~DHS Sec. Michael Chertoff House Testimony)
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