Posted on 08/15/2005 9:18:06 AM PDT by hc87
Exactly eighty years after the Scopes "monkey trial" in Dayton, Tennessee, history is about to repeat itself. In a courtroom in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania in late September, scientists and creationists will square off about whether and how high school students in Dover, Pennsylvania will learn about biological evolution. One would have assumed that these battles were over, but that is to underestimate the fury (and the ingenuity) of creationists scorned.
The Scopes trial of our day--Kitzmiller, et al v. Dover Area School District et al--began innocuously...
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Don't forget those lovable old reprobate comedians Jimmy (I have sinned against you with many hookers) Swaggart , or (that vicious God will kill me) Oral (I usually think of another bodily orifice) Roberts and Benny (I saw Jesus walk into my bedroom and rearrange my socks) Hinn.
Yeah, yeah, I know I'm only touching the tip of the unholy iceberg here, and I didn't even mention any of those child-molesting priests or devil worshipping heretics but ...
My conservatism is shaped by my own experience, not by what was said two hundred years ago. I respect the actions of the founding fathers (yes fathers) and I admire the power and poetry of their language, but it does not alter reality.
I have nothing against the belief in a creator God, but I don't know anyone smart enough to know the mind of God in enough detail to lecture me about it.
I believe the people who wrote the Bible did thge best they could to convey their knowledge of God, but they accepted slavery, even codified the rules. They did not know the mind of God.
Colin Patterson alert!
The history of many countries other than those of the Hebrew, some of which predate the Bible, disagree with the Bible.
"archeology
Same goes for archeology, since much of history has been uncovered by archaeologists. Places have been found to exist that are mentioned in the Bible but events chronicled by that book have not been verified.
"Scripture
begs the question, don't it?
" fulfilled prophecy
Whoops. How do you determine what in the Bible is a prophesy? How do you determine the fulfillment of these prophesies? Much can be read into ambiguous text. Which of these prophesies were interpreted as a prophesy that gave very specific details about the future (at that time) that actually came true?
"documented historical eye-witness account
Documented where? Inside the Bible? What independent sources verify these accounts?
"and etc....all side with the claims of Christianity.
Only in the minds of those that really, really want it to be.
In a comparitive analysis related to evidence...the muslim holy book does not hold a candle to the Bible...God's Word wins hands down.
Start with this expirement...Look under every rock and in every corner of the solar system (and beyond). When you are finished and did not find God, or direct evidence thereof, then we can start to debate His existence.
In a comparitive analysis related to evidence...the muslim holy book does not hold a candle to the Bible...God's Word wins hands down.
Start with this expirement...Look under every rock and in every corner of the solar system (and beyond). When you are finished and did not find God, or direct evidence thereof, then we can start to debate His existence.
When I was a student at Oklahoma Baptist University, and determined to become a missionary, I accepted evolution.
I've rejected God. But I've never doubted the scientific view of the universe in my entire life.
So all the errors in the Bible will remain errors. This is a good thing?
The revisions to text books are only trivially due to fraudulent evidence, evidence that was uncovered and corrected by science. Theories are designed to be falsified and corrected, that way our knowledge gradually converges on the the most accurate explanations.
Cape Breton :)
Oral Roberts home town is Tulsa OK. Back in the late 70's there was a live comedy show in Tulsa that was loosly designed around Saturday Night Live.
One of their regular skits was a guy called "Brother Oral Love". He had a white suit on, and his pulpit had a cross with a dollar sign through the middle of it.
Really funny stuff.
So slavery is OK, and dietary laws are back.
And stoning. Let the stonings begin.
Start with this expirement...Look under every rock and in every corner of the solar system (and beyond).
Well, at least you gave it a shot.
However, I don't think I can fit this experiment into my schedule.
I estimate that no matter how far along I get in this endeavor it will always take me longer than the current age of the universe to finish and I don't think I can find the time.
That's like trying to find fulfilled prophesies of Nostradamous. They're so vague that anything will fit the predictions.
In Revelations alone, the text is so wierd that you can read anything into it.
Force? The Kansas school board is involved by virtue of winning elections. It is the other side that relies on courts to gag the opposition.
I am not.
I am suggesting that, given historical documentation on the genesis of our freedoms/liberties and the formation of our representative republic, it is proposterous to presume that a stand for the belief in Creator God is damaging to conservatism.
He was the foundation for our freedoms and our represenative republic, thus conservatism.
So when the left gets a genuine hard science in their hands like evolution to demonstrate how superstitious and uneducated conservatives are, you don't think this will damage our electability?
What a fantasy world you are in.
It is open for debate by any right thinking person.
"All this time, the founding fathers' premise/belief that our inalienable rights were endowed by our Creator were mythological in origin?
Did they specify which creator?
"It could have been, or might have been, Zeus who gave us these rights?
Perhaps it was other humans that gave those rights?
"Why doesn't our money state "IN ZEUS WE TRUST"?
Because America is not ancient Greece. Btw, the founding fathers did not put that on money.
I'm familiar with the speeches of many of the Founders. They were religious men, most of them. But it's funny that the Constitution makes no mention of your claim. Nor the Federalist Papers. Must have been an oversight.
Anyone who looks to the text of Federal Reserve notes to bolster his faith is in deep spiritual trouble.
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