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Are 'Classes' Back
Townhall ^ | 8/15/05 | Michael Barone

Posted on 08/15/2005 7:34:36 AM PDT by Molly Pitcher

Has a fairer America also become an America with less social mobility? That is the uncomfortable question raised by John Parker's long American survey in The Economist last month.

"A decline in social mobility would run counter to Americans' deepest beliefs about their country," Parker writes. "Unfortunately, that is what seems to be happening. Class is reappearing in a new form."

This was the conclusion, as well, of a recent series of articles in The New York Times -- although, as the Times and Parker both note, polls show that Americans think their chances of moving up are better than a generation ago. Statistics tell a different story: There is a higher correlation today between parents' and children's income than in the 1980s, and the income gap between college graduates and non-graduated doubled between 1979 and 1997.

"America," concludes Parker, "is becoming a stratified society based on education: a meritocracy."

Parker's view parallels that of another Brit, Ferdinand Mount, former editor of the Times Literary Supplement, in his 2004 book, "Mind the Gap: The New Class Divide in Britain." Mount notes that income inequality has been increasing in Britain, not just during the Thatcherite 1980s, but since Tony Blair's New Labor government took office in 1997 -- much to the dismay of many Labor ministers. He notes also that Britons are not converging on one lifestyle -- Uppers and Downers, as he calls them, still dress differently and speak with different accents -- and that Britain, more open to upward mobility in the past than popular legend would have it, is becoming less so.

This he partly blames on the abolition by equality-minded Laborites years ago of the academically demanding grammar schools that were the routes out of the working class for so many Labor politicians themselves.

"We cannot help noticing," Mount concludes, "that the old class system has been reconstituted into a more or less meritocratic upper tier and a lower tier which is defined principally by its failure to qualify for the upper tier."

Which is exactly what Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray predicted for America in their controversial book "The Bell Curve," published 11 years ago. Herrnstein and Murray noted that intelligence is both measurable and in some large but unquantifiable part hereditary, an unexceptionable finding for experimental psychologists but maddening to social engineers. As college education becomes open to all with the requisite intelligence, graduates will tend to marry graduates and produce children with similar intelligence, while others will tend to produce children without it.

"Unchecked, these trends," Herrnstein and Murray wrote, "will lead the U.S. toward something resembling a caste society, with the underclass mired ever more firmly at the bottom and the cognitive elite ever more firmly anchored at the top."

Which leads to the question children ask on long car trips: Are we there yet? Mount says Britain is and Parker says America may well be. And maybe so.

Yet should we be so gloomy about this? The British have tended to see their society as a one-ladder system, with Oxford and Cambridge graduates at the top and lavatory cleaners at the bottom. Yet in America (and I think in Britain, too), there are many ladders upward, with many intermediate rungs. Not everyone has an emotional need to be on top: How many people, if they thought seriously about it, would really want the burdens of a CEO, however lavish the pay?

Meritocracy may leave people with no one to blame for failure. But, as Herrnstein and Murray argued, almost all Americans have the ability "to find valued places in society."

And that depends not so much on intelligence as on personal behavior. Here, perhaps, we are coping with meritocracy already. New York Times columnist David Brooks points out that since 1993, we have seen declines in violent crime, family violence, teenage births, abortions, child poverty, drunken driving, teenage sex, teenage suicide and divorce. We are seeing increases in test scores and, as Parker notes, in membership in voluntary associations.

As Murray has written, all you need to do to avoid poverty in this country is to graduate from high school, get and stay married, and take any job. The intelligence needed to get a place in the cognitive elite may become more concentrated in a fair meritocratic society, but the personal behaviors needed to find a valued place in society are available to everyone.

Meritocracy may mean less mobility, but that is bearable if, as Brooks says, "America is becoming more virtuous."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: barone; charlesmurray; classwarfare; education; meritocracy; socialistmantra; socialmobility; underclass
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To: ModelBreaker

Very good points...

I ready a statistic that 20% of self-made millionaires in the US are immigrants...that have the desire to get educated and work hard. (Note: I am not talking about illegal immigrants).

If immigrants can come and prosper, what does that tell you?


21 posted on 08/15/2005 8:13:03 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: Texas_Conservative2
Hereditary aside, more wealthy parents are likely to be able to expose children to good things (a home full of books, a good home environment, a good school, etc.), while more poor parents will be more likely to expose children to bad things (crystal meth, alcholicism, bad schools, like of importance in education).
22 posted on 08/15/2005 8:14:39 AM PDT by RKB-AFG (60 seats in '06)
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To: Ace's Dad
Boy did I goof on the "crop-dusters" ! . I would surely like to do some of that fancy flyin myself, and I agree it's a great profession.

I meant to say sharecroppers. Mr. Carver came from the poorest of kin, yet he was virtually a genius and a wonderful man.My apologies for the slip.

23 posted on 08/15/2005 8:15:02 AM PDT by steenkeenbadges
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To: Molly Pitcher
This he partly blames on the abolition by equality-minded Laborites years ago of the academically demanding grammar schools that were the routes out of the working class for so many Labor politicians themselves.

Which means the public schools are not educating kids.

24 posted on 08/15/2005 8:16:43 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Molly Pitcher

When did 'class' ever leave?


25 posted on 08/15/2005 8:16:47 AM PDT by cyborg (I'm having the best day ever.)
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To: Molly Pitcher
"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race." - Calvin Coolidge

Regards, Ivan

26 posted on 08/15/2005 8:16:53 AM PDT by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: Molly Pitcher

Success like failure is mostly self selected.


27 posted on 08/15/2005 8:20:02 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: Tulane

Madison is now the jewel of Mississippi. It is a beautiful city and wealthy city. It has seen just an explosion of wealth.

To a lesser extend Southhaven has totally changed DeSoto County from a small poverty riden part of the Delta to a middle class white area.


28 posted on 08/15/2005 8:21:59 AM PDT by RKB-AFG (60 seats in '06)
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To: RKB-AFG

That's as may be, but...

As my mom said, "You don't have to be rich to have good manners, and books at the library are free." (Our family was very poor when I was growing up.)

I think that it's the choices we make that determine whether we are rich or poor...education or high income doesn't always equal success for your children, as far as I can tell. Good parenting is the key to learning how to make decisions that will lead to success in life, in my opinion. Lazy parents abound in all walks of life, unfortunately. :(


29 posted on 08/15/2005 8:31:13 AM PDT by exnavychick (I need a new tagline...any suggestions?)
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To: Molly Pitcher
"America," concludes Parker, "is becoming a stratified society based on education: a meritocracy."

I would use the term "credentiocracy" and otherwise wholeheartedly agree. It totally sucks.

30 posted on 08/15/2005 8:32:50 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (see my FR page for a link to the tribute to Terri Schaivo, a short video presentation.)
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To: steenkeenbadges

AMEN!!


32 posted on 08/15/2005 8:42:24 AM PDT by cyborg (I'm having the best day ever.)
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To: steenkeenbadges

Very good point. As one who went to school at Iowa State, I have great respect for Carver.

What we are seeing is the increasing cost of college is driving out some who would have otherwise gone. That, and many are seeing that a degree in "women's studies" isn't very marketable, and are turning elsewhere.


33 posted on 08/15/2005 8:44:43 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Molly Pitcher
Yep,.....Al-Qaeda's........U.N. Workers of the World Unite,.....

.....Fritz Lange's,.....Al-Qaeda Canadian... "Metropolis"...at the U.S.A. gas pump....

/9-11 ...$$$$$....victory?

34 posted on 08/15/2005 8:45:59 AM PDT by maestro
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To: the invisib1e hand
""credentiocracy"...

Great term! Perhaps a few adjectives - such as bogus, empty, elitist?

35 posted on 08/15/2005 8:48:28 AM PDT by steenkeenbadges
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To: SteveMcKing
Lower class emulates upper class -- empire is rising.

Upper class emulates lower class -- empire is declining.

Considering that the media and certain rich kids believe it's both cool and fun to be impoverished crime-ridden inner city minorities, the current state of "class" indicates we a nation in free-fall.

This has NOTHING to do with.... "THE HARRY POTTER RELIGION"....of magic ANARCHY?

36 posted on 08/15/2005 8:49:51 AM PDT by maestro
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To: steenkeenbadges
Perhaps a few adjectives - such as bogus, empty, elitist?

You're not even warmed up yet.

37 posted on 08/15/2005 8:54:19 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (see my FR page for a link to the tribute to Terri Schaivo, a short video presentation.)
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To: Paved Paradise
I know many people that could've gone onto very high paying jobs if they'd been born into the right circles - let's face it, in many instances it IS who you know and not what you know. You can learn the what very easily but getting in the door might require some effort. Also, there are plenty of rich and very high level people that produce children that grow up to be selfish, greedy and unwholesome.

And yet...I know many people with MBA's, born and raised with all the perks and opportunities possible that are complete idiots.

38 posted on 08/15/2005 8:55:39 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (The function of socialism is to raise suffering to a higher level.)
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To: steenkeenbadges
...graduates will tend to marry graduates and produce children with similar intelligence, while others will tend to produce children without it...

Example #1 of "Good Breeding"

You are right IMO. GWC and Frederick Douglas, and Benjimin Banneker were SLAVES. Yet they achieved more than most people.

39 posted on 08/15/2005 8:59:35 AM PDT by Clock King
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To: MEGoody
Which means the public schools are not educating kids.

Which brings to mind something I read this morning about California's high school exit exam. The kids have six chances to pass it during their high school years. The tests are based on 8th grade math and 10th grade English skills. WTF, O?

40 posted on 08/15/2005 9:00:13 AM PDT by Bob
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