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"The evolution wars" in Time [Time Magazine's cover story]
National Center for Science Education ^ | 11 August 2005 | Staff

Posted on 08/13/2005 3:49:15 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

The cover story of the August 15, 2005, issue of Time magazine is Claudia Wallis's "The evolution wars" -- the first cover story on the creationism/evolution controversy in a major national newsweekly in recent memory.

With "When Bush joined the fray last week, the question grew hotter: Is 'intelligent design' a real science? And should it be taught in schools?" as its subhead, the article, in the space of over 3000 words, reviews the current situation in detail. Highlights of the article include:

While Wallis's article is inevitably not as scientifically detailed as, for example, H. Allen Orr's recent article in The New Yorker, or as politically astute as, for example, Chris Mooney's recent article in The American Prospect, overall it accomplishes the important goal of informing the general reader that antievolutionism -- whether it takes the form of creation science, "intelligent design," or calls to "teach the controversy" -- is scientifically unwarranted, pedagogically irresponsible, and constitutionally problematic.


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; darwinschmarwin; headinsand; scienceeducation; timemag; timemagazine
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1 posted on 08/13/2005 3:49:16 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
EvolutionPing
A pro-evolution science list with over 290 names.
See the list's explanation at my freeper homepage.
Then FReepmail to be added or dropped.

2 posted on 08/13/2005 3:50:42 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: All
The List-O-Links. A good place for basic information.
How to argue against a scientific theory.
Another service of Darwin Central, the conspiracy that cares.
3 posted on 08/13/2005 3:52:22 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I just dont understand why its so hard for school boards to allow one simple disclaimer to teaching evolution. Some people believe in intelligent design, its not difficult and it doesnt undermine the teaching of the THEORY of evolution.

I myself believe that evolution works well within the constructs of the bible and even intelligent design.


4 posted on 08/13/2005 3:54:55 PM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany)
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To: aft_lizard

Would you be upset if they placed Scientology on an equal footing with ID? How about Christian Science?


5 posted on 08/13/2005 3:57:26 PM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: PatrickHenry

As a faith based theory, Darwinism has no place in the classroom. If they're going to sue to ban prayer, somebody ought to sue to ban evolution.


6 posted on 08/13/2005 3:58:43 PM PDT by balch3
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May as well add some information about the litatigation history of the issue:

NEW Eight Significant Court Decisions.
The Evolution Controversy. Scopes trial and some Supreme Court cases.
Selman v. Cobb County School District. The Georgia textbook sticker case.
McLean v. Arkansas Board of Education (1982). Arkansas statute for "balanced treatment" of "creation-science" & "evolution-science" is unConstitutional. In that decision (found at 529 F. Supp. 1255), the court distinguished between science and creationism, noting:

[T]he essential characteristics of science are:

(1) It is guided by natural law;
(2) It has to be explanatory by reference to nature law;
(3) It is testable against the empirical world;
(4) Its conclusions are tentative, i.e. are not necessarily the final word; and
(5) Its is falsifiable.

7 posted on 08/13/2005 3:59:37 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: aft_lizard
As some of the anti-evolution posters have pointed out, science operates on a set of assumptions. The most fundamental of these assumptions is that a natural cause can be found for any given phenomen. When you abandon this assumption, you open the board for every possible hypothesis.

You may not trust me on this, but I will tell you anyway, Religious critics of science will be better off if science maintains a strictly materialistic bias.

Without the assumption of materialism, the definition of science will be opened to every New Age horror imaginable, and they will all be required in public schools. Better the enemy you know...

8 posted on 08/13/2005 4:03:01 PM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: PatrickHenry

INTREP


9 posted on 08/13/2005 4:07:04 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (The radical secularization of America is happening)
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To: js1138; Coyoteman
Would you be upset if they placed Scientology on an equal footing with ID? How about Christian Science?

Where are you Coyoteman?

10 posted on 08/13/2005 4:13:30 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Now looking forward to classes on the creation and care of magical beasts in High School. And potions. And divination. Perhaps even defense against the dark arts!

And all the kids raised on Harry Potter will love it...

11 posted on 08/13/2005 4:14:34 PM PDT by forsnax5 (The greatest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.)
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To: LiteKeeper
INTREP

Not a "YEC INTREP"? Do I detect a change in the wind? ;)

12 posted on 08/13/2005 4:29:02 PM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: balrog666
Would you be upset if they placed Scientology on an equal footing with ID? How about Christian Science?

Where are you Coyoteman?

The Saturday Night Fights? OK, here is a good one.


Japanese Creation Story

Long ago all the elements were mixed together with one germ of life. This germ began to mix things around and around until the heavier part sank and the lighter part rose. A muddy sea that covered the entire earth was created. From this ocean grew a green shoot. It grew and grew until it reached the clouds and there it was tranformed into a god. Soon this god grew lonely and it began to create other gods. The last two gods it made, Izanagi anf Izanami, were the most remarkable.

One day as they were walking along they looked down on the ocean and wondered what was beneath it. Izanagi thrust his staff into the waters and as he pulled it back up some clumps of mud fell back into the sea. They began to harden and grow until they became the islands of Japan.

The two descended to these islands and began to explore, each going in different directions. They created all kinds of plants. When they met again they decided to marry and have children to inhabit the land. The first child Izanami bore was a girl of radiant beauty. The gods decided she was too beautiful to live in Japan, so they put her up in the sky and she became the sun. Their second daughter, Tsuki-yami, became the moon and their third and unruly son, Sosano-wo, was sentenced to the sea, where he creates storms.

Later, their first child, Amaterasu, bore a son who became the emperor of Japan and all the emperors since then have claimed descent from him.


13 posted on 08/13/2005 4:37:47 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: general_re
Do I detect a change in the wind? ;)

Not in the least - just lazy today

14 posted on 08/13/2005 4:42:14 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (The radical secularization of America is happening)
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To: aft_lizard
I just dont understand why its so hard for school boards to allow one simple disclaimer to teaching evolution. Some people believe in intelligent design, its not difficult and it doesnt undermine the teaching of the THEORY of evolution.

Rather than preface teaching the theory of evolution with a disclaimer that "this theory is a theory" it might be easier to each kids that all scientific output is theory. Gravity, electrons, etc. is all theory. A thorough grounding in the scientific method should serve to fix this "theory" complaint.

Hey, maybe that's something the ID folks maybe could learn too!

(Nah, its been tried.)

15 posted on 08/13/2005 4:43:27 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: Coyoteman
But it's "JUST a THEORY" . Some folks around here really need to read this.
16 posted on 08/13/2005 4:57:37 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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The premise of ID is based upon a negative assumption, that some structures are too complex to have been created by natural means. Stated as a premise this would be:

Natural processes could not have created certain structures in the Universe and in living beings because these structures are too complex.

This is the very thing that cannot be proven or verified. You can't prove that something didn't happen. You can only verify that something did happen. Intelligent Design reveals its weakness by the rundundancy of Intelligent Design. As opposed to what unintelligent design or dumb design? The fact that it needs this qualifier demonstrates its failure as a scientific theory.

This is an Assertion Without Proof where the premise, that certain structures are "best explained" by the very "intelligence" they are supposed to prove is a text book case in circular thinking.

17 posted on 08/13/2005 5:14:56 PM PDT by LogicWings
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To: LogicWings

Given the way the human body works, I have no trouble whatever believing in "unintelligent design."


18 posted on 08/13/2005 5:18:01 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: balch3
As a faith based theory, Darwinism has no place in the classroom.

This is another one of the nincompoop assertions. What aspect of evolution, is "faith based?"

19 posted on 08/13/2005 5:26:44 PM PDT by LogicWings
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To: PatrickHenry
"Intelligent design means that various forms of life began abruptly through an intelligent agency, with their distinctive features already intact."

Did the intelligent agency evolve or did it abruptly appear with it's distinctive features already intact? How can people be gullible enough to fall for such a crock?

20 posted on 08/13/2005 5:38:47 PM PDT by shuckmaster
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