Winter Soldier film -- 5 stars from FilmCritic.com

www.filmcritic.com ^ | August 12, 2005 | Chris Barsanti

[Interesting Times]

The leftists have launched a major effort to rehabilitate the Winter Soldier propaganda, in hopes of undermining our efforts in Iraq.

By the way, the upper photo at the left is Steve Pitkin, who signed an affidavit saying that he was pressured by VVAW leaders at the Winter Soldier Investigation to tell lies about atrocities. See also the What's New? section at WinterSoldier.com.

[Interesting Times]

Perhaps film critic Chris Barsanti would be interested in hearing some other perspectives on the Vietnam Veterans Against the War's war crimes extravaganza...

[darkwing104]

Doesn't he know that most of these guys are liars and fakes?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Spineless US Senate would rather protect Hanoi Kerry
than deal with the anti war crowd.

Anyone who thinks Hanoi Kerry isn't behind the anti war crowd needs to get a clue.

It's time to support our troops and ignore the jelly fish in the US Senate!

There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

WAKEUP AMERICA!

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

And the FBI has proof of his treason.

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.

(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS

Distribute these url's!

Links to Anti Kerry sites
212 LINKS
News reports,
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MUST SEE WEBSITE!!!!

http://www.kerrystreason.com/index.html

Full details on these url's!

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There is a backup site
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Did you see this...?
(The 'Kerry's Promise Counter')
http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=6628
Polipundit even tells you how to install it on your own page!

[Cindy]

PING

[Joe 6-pack]

I bought their White Album. I thought it sucked.

[Ruth A.]

However, the sheer weight of testimony and the numbing repetition of their similar elements shows for a lie the attempts by fringe right-wing elements (mostly as part of their Swift Boat-John Kerry smear campaign) to present these soldiers’ stories as fabricated or aberrations instead of the norm. You can dismiss some of what’s said here as lies and exaggerations, but to deny the whole of it is to simply close one’s eyes to reality.

If you repeat a lie often enough, then it becomes true. The MO of liars.

[bitt]

lying traitor ping

on or off, FRe-mail me.

[Interesting Times]

8. During the Winter Soldier Investigation, John Kerry and other leaders of that event pressured me to testify about American war crimes, despite my repeated statements that I could not honestly do so. One event leader strongly implied that I would not be provided transportation back to my home in Baltimore, Maryland, if I failed to comply. Kerry and other leaders of the event instructed me to publicly state that I had witnessed incidents of rape, brutality, atrocities and racism, knowing that such statements would necessarily be untrue.

-- Steve Pitkin, from his September 2004 affidavit

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Of course he knows - leftists just don't care.

Note even CBS News doesn't care - "The memos may be fake, but we stand by the story". Their own words.

The ends justify the means. They know it is a fiction - but they assume that the US is wrong, and the military is evil, so they figure it is a re-enactment - "similar stories must be true".

In a real world this jackass would lose his job - if it is a paying position - for a review like this. No one should comment to him - they should comment to the site. This person is a lost cause.

Diva's Husband

[keithtoo]

Werent most of these 'vets' frauds, and werent ALL of their stories either outright lies or embellishments?

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!!

[Interesting Times]

Werent most of these 'vets' frauds, and werent ALL of their stories either outright lies or embellishments?

They were a bit more subtle than that. There were some outright frauds, but most of the winter soldiers had been in the military, and a number did serve in Vietnam, though mostly in non-combat positions. The trick they used was to tell horrible stories of atrocities that were sufficiently vague in terms of who, what, when and where that they would be very difficult either to prove or disprove. Military investigators took a serious look at the charges, but found nothing that merited charging anyone with a war crime.

The tactic the VVAW and its supporters use today is to say, "many of these horrible crimes have never been disproved." My own position is that if you're going to claim that someone committed terrible crimes, the burden of proof is on you. The VVAW has never come close to providing such proof. That wasn't their objective -- they just wanted people to believe it was true.

[pipecorp]

Let it be.

(LOL)

[sportutegrl]

So Kerry's bit is less than 2 minutes. If this would have had his whole testimony and came out before the election . . . . Funny, they seem to think it would have been better to come after the election, even though Kerry had a higher profile and this film would have gotten more press before November.

[Americanexpat]

It didn't have to be true, it just had to be said. People wanted to believe it, that way they could denigrate the American soldier and the war with a clear conscience.

As the NY Times said about Gitmo. It may not be true but it is plausible.

[sportutegrl]

There is a book by a guy, Burke, I think, Stolen Honor, describing a lot of these Hippie type Vietnam Vets as not even serving in Vietnam, not having Purple Hearts, and some not even veterans.

[BIGLOOK]

Tom Paine's Winter Soldier stood his post and fought. The new Winter soldiers (current) bugged out ....just like Kerry. Most were never there....recruited by Kerry.

How are you doing,Tonk?

[Interesting Times]

There is a book by a guy, Burke, I think, Stolen Honor, describing a lot of these Hippie type Vietnam Vets as not even serving in Vietnam, not having Purple Hearts, and some not even veterans.

The book is "Stolen Valor" by B.G. Burkett. Here's an excerpt.

[Interesting Times]

So Kerry's bit is less than 2 minutes. If this would have had his whole testimony and came out before the election . . . .

No, you're confusing two different events. Kerry's interview of Steve Pitkin at the Winter Soldier Investigation only lasted for a minute or two, at least on the film. His testimony before Congress a couple of months later, which presented the Winter Soldier claims as true, lasted for a couple of hours.