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WORST PRESIDENT EVER (vote)
8/12/2005

Posted on 08/12/2005 3:25:54 PM PDT by hang 'em

Who is/was the WORST U.S. PRESIDENT EVER? Carter? Clinton? Make your choice and state your reasons.


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KEYWORDS: communists; cowards; fishattack; hillarytopsthelist; itsreagan; jimmycarter; killerbunny; morons; perverts; psychopaths; rapists; slickwilliehandsdown; sociopaths; totalitarians; traiters
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To: Steve Van Doorn; AzaleaCity5691; Ditto
Plenty of contracts aren't terminable by one party at will. If you're talking about taking a job or subscribing to a magazine or joining a club, sure, but the contract between the nation and the states created institutions and established obligations that couldn't simply be repudiated on a whim. More here

We're all familiar with situations when goverments or regimes change and enclaves remain as they are. Cuban Communists demanded Guantanamo. Chinese Communists demanded Hong Kong. Spain demanded Gibraltar. India seized Goa. But the nations that held such fortifications insisted on their rights under international law and have been justified in doing so. Unionists could make an excellent legal case for control of Sumter. In any case, it looks really stupid and self-defeating for South Carolina to assert a radical notion of sovereignty that could only lead to trouble.

241 posted on 08/12/2005 5:06:21 PM PDT by x
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Read some of the writings from Calhoun before the war, Calhoun was still passionately pushing the same ideals that had led him to resign from the Jackson administration all those years.


242 posted on 08/12/2005 5:07:44 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: annalex

I concur with your FDR vote. It took him 12 years and a World War to set the economy right. Not too mention shredding states rights and sending us on the path to socialism


243 posted on 08/12/2005 5:08:14 PM PDT by Boiler Plate
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To: Lurking Libertarian
At the time both the North and the South made it plain they were not fighting over slavery.

The Northern troops called themselves Union as that is what they were fighting for. They didn't call themselves liberators or the abolitionists.

Same for the Confederacy. They were fighting to establish a new nation based on local sovereignty. That is why they called themselves Confederates.

The real start of the war is so plain a blind man should be able to see it. When Lincoln called for 75,000 volunteers there was no doubt what they were for. No one thought the South was going to attack the North. Fort Sumpter was in Charleston harbor, not Boston.

244 posted on 08/12/2005 5:08:48 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: x

Sir, answer me one question.

Where in the Constitution does it state that states that enter the Union are forever bound in the Union?


245 posted on 08/12/2005 5:08:53 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: Wallaby

I am suprised more freepers have not said that. Dont forget The federal reserve. He also got us into WWI after being reelected on a I wont platform. He was a democrat and a racist and some of his policies may have triggered the great depression.


246 posted on 08/12/2005 5:09:38 PM PDT by winodog (We need to pull the fedgov.con's feeding tube)
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To: Clemenza
It was STUPID then and is STUPID now.

Exactly.

247 posted on 08/12/2005 5:10:07 PM PDT by oldbrowser (You lost the election.........get over it.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
I see your point but....

Warren G. Harding was the Bill Clinton of his day tenfold with Florence Kling Harding as Hillary. He was a corrupt political boss in Marion. Everything from scandal in the Veterans' Bureau, the Interior Dept and Justice (Ring a bell?) His attorney general was brought before the bar and on and on.

I don't know many of the most conservative of Republicans who would deny the overall corruption of Harding

249 posted on 08/12/2005 5:11:30 PM PDT by Rise of South Park Republicans (The Founding Fathers wanted disagreements as long as we all agree America kicks as* - Eric Cartman)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Smoot-Hawley probably did not cause the initial downturn but it was instrumental in turning a garden-variety recession into a full-scale depression.

I thought that is what the history books used to say.

250 posted on 08/12/2005 5:13:00 PM PDT by oldbrowser (You lost the election.........get over it.)
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To: Poser

"Pierce: Did nothing at all including nothing about upcoming civil war"


Well, he is the third great-uncle of Barbara Pierce Bush, and being a Democrat, I guess we can say he was that "crazy uncle they kept in the attic."


251 posted on 08/12/2005 5:14:23 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Liberals believe common sense facts are open to debate!)
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To: Kokojmudd

Truman - For not going nuclear on Moscow and Peking after WWII to get rid of Communism for good.

Or was the cold war good for business?

No communism no Carter.

252 posted on 08/12/2005 5:16:52 PM PDT by Major_Risktaker
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To: AzaleaCity5691
Where in the Constitution does it state that states that enter the Union are forever bound in the Union?

I don't want to hijack the thread completely from people who want to discuss other things, but the Constitution does declare that it is the supreme authority in the land.

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." U.S. Const. art. VI, Paragraph 2

Consequently if you want to "secede" or sever your connection to the rest of the country you have to do so at the federal level, by changing the federal laws or the Constitition. That's pretty clear, isn't it? If it isn't -- if there's disagreement -- that's all the more reason to make sure that all concerned parties are in agreement, rather than strike off on your own.

Under a tyranny, you may have the right to rebel and get out however you can, but if you live in a constitutional republic with free and democratic institutions, you work within them for change. It's an old debate that won't be resolved tonight.

253 posted on 08/12/2005 5:20:23 PM PDT by x
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To: Clemenza

Looks like I'm the one who needs to take History 101.


254 posted on 08/12/2005 5:22:46 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I'm was actually only a few credits away from a PHD in History, but the private sector beckoned. ;-)


255 posted on 08/12/2005 5:23:43 PM PDT by Clemenza (Intelligent Design Isn't Very Intelligent)
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To: hang 'em

1. FDR - America's first Communist President
2. Clinton
3. Jimmah "F-the Shah" Carter
4. LBJ - FDR was first, but he perfected Communism


256 posted on 08/12/2005 5:28:26 PM PDT by exile (Exile - Helen Thomas tried to lure me into her Gingerbread House.)
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To: Rise of South Park Republicans

That's lapel and Robert Ferrell not Farrell


258 posted on 08/12/2005 5:29:34 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: lunarbicep
Wow

What a choice.

Hmmm Clinton?,

Carter?

LBJ?

Hmm. All in my lifetime. All Dems. All bad. Really bad.

I'll go with LBJ.

259 posted on 08/12/2005 5:30:14 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: MikeinIraq

Carter was a person of good intentions
Clinton was a person of bad intentions

Clinton was the worst person to be a president. He abused his power and the trust even his own party gave him; and we may all pay for it.


260 posted on 08/12/2005 5:33:20 PM PDT by Loud Mime (War is Mankind's way of ridding the world of the tyranny caused by liberalism)
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