9/11 Y2K; the 9/11 attack that happened BEFORE 2001 (Free Republic Exclusive)

FAA ^ | 9/11/00 | Southack and Government Sources

[Southack]

This is the FAA accident report for the mid-air collision in Florida one year prior to the 9/11/01 attacks on the WTC and Pentagon (and PA).

I brought this up in the week of 9/11/01, but this story was apparently "lost" in the news at the time. There were subsequent articles on this topic, and where FReepers can still find them, they should be appended onto posts on this thread.

Some important points to consider:
the Saudi national who piloted his aircraft into the Piper Aztec commercial flight had received his pilot's license from the Phillipines
Early blogs at the time noted that the Saudi pilot was Mohamed Atta or Alhazmi's roommate (this point needs to be confirmed)
This was a 9/11 attack...9/11 of 2000, not 2001
The 9/11 Congressional Commission did NOT research earlier 9/11 attacks such as this one
The 9/11/01 terrorists received $100,000 wire transfer to Florida one week after their 9/11/2000 attack at Ft Pierce airport, on September 18, 2000 ( http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=300#a062900transfer )
The Ft. Pierce 9/11/2000 attack was only 83 miles from the 9/11/2001 attackers' Del Ray beach condo
...and, this 9/11/2000 attack is relevant to the new discovery that *LAWYERS* in the Clinton Administration prevented Able Danger intel (and other information) on these terrorists from reaching the FBI (read: Gorelick's Wall).

[Jim_Curtis]

It is a matter of preponderance of circumstantial evidence overwhelming the chance that it is all coincidence.

The ten Muslims praying at the scene of the wreckage. If I could prove that those ten died exactly one year to the date later, that would have no bearing on your belief that the midair collision was an accident, am I correct?

[expatpat]

The "prudent" remark referred to what happened in 2000, before the FAA report. Now, after that report of the circumstances and the probable cause of the accident, it is tinfoil to beat the dead horse of a deliberate act. Got it yet?

Your use of verbal abuse and your attempt to play "gotcha" indicate you have nothing useful to offer, and this is my last response to you.

[expatpat]

That is a very good point. I had the feeling that the guy in FL may have been intended to be part of the group, but hadn't connected it to Moussaoui's later arrival.

[expatpat]

LOL! Your 'heavy thinking' is wonderful to behold! It seems to consist of mouthing off about "blinded cowards" and trying to classify a whole bunch of accidents as part of a conspiracy. You have to realize that flying can be a dangerous business.

[Jim_Curtis]

It's a thought but it assumes that they had a special need for "20" from the start and there weren't others joining and dropping out of the cell. I don't even know for a fact that there weren't more teams ready to fly on 9/11 that had their flight cancelled.

[Muzzle_em]

Wasn't that the one in which the pilot shouted "Allah Akbar!" before plunging the plane into the ocean?

I'm one of the "tin foilers" here who thinks TWA 800 was a terrorist attack also.

Terrorism prospered under X42.

[Jim_Curtis]

As their bodies were being removed from the wreckage last year, 10 Islamic men knelt nearby and raised and lowered their arms in prayer.

How could there be 10 Islamic men at the scene of this wreckage in a citrus grove? They were watching and then went to where they saw the airplanes go down. They were watching.

[MindBender26]

Not at all. I would expect that his roomie, Atta was one of the ten at prayer. I certainly accept the fect that he was probably part of the 9/11/01 cell. He just screwed up early.

Think about it. If he was part of Islamic airline killing cell, why would he want to die early in a dinky little 2 people killed accident?

Convered story once in Texas where about 6 or 8 Muslim college students from UT were killed by a drunk driver going the wrong wat in I-40. About 300 friends of theirs gathered at the scene, camped out at the funeral home where the bodies were, etc. It is their way of mourning.

[Jim_Curtis]

Think about it. If he was part of Islamic airline killing cell, why would he want to die early in a dinky little 2 people killed accident?

This is the first thing I addressed. Post #88. As I took my theory and observed how everything else we have considered relates to my theory...I have come to believe that my theory is correct.

Do you have an answer to why there would be 10 Islamic men praying in the middle of a citrus grove on 9/11/00? Not only do I believe these 10 Islamic men observed the collision, I suspect they recorded it with a video camera.

Those who responded to the crash site and witnessed the 10 Islamic men probably saw a video camera. They should be interviewed.

[Southack]

"I would expect that his roomie, Atta was one of the ten at prayer. I certainly accept the fect that he was probably part of the 9/11/01 cell. He just screwed up early. Think about it. If he was part of Islamic airline killing cell, why would he want to die early in a dinky little 2 people killed accident?"

Fleshing out the data, we know that Bukhari, the 9/11/2000 crash pilot, lived *next door* to two of the 9/11/2001 hijackers in Florida...rather than was their roommate. We know that his ID, and his brother's ID, was/were used after his death to rent at least one car (the one left in Maine) by the 9/11/2001 terrorists.

We know that 10 Islamic men made the news by bowing and praying at the scene of the 2000 wreck in Florida BEFORE FIRE CREWS AT THAT AIRPORT COULD REMOVE THE BODIES from the aircraft. We further know that Bukhari's 9/11/2000 mid-air collision occurred within 3 miles of the runway of the Ft Pierce airport.

We know that Atta's 9/11/2001 cell received a $70,000 wire transfer (minus a $15 fee) one week after Bukhari's 9/11/2000 mid-air crash.

We can reasonably SPECULATE that the mid-air crash in 2000 was related to that $70,000 wire transfer.

But we don't know if the 9/11/2000 mid-air was a proof-of-concept crash (i.e. we can hit Air Force One in mid-air, here, watch this demo), a petty act of terrorism, an actual accident, or an illustration of the 9/11/2001 cell's seriousness (sometimes "investors" want proof of commitment to a project).

We do know that Bukhari had a Filipino pilot's license, which means that real detective work should be going on to match his name with the foiled Bojinka Plot from some time earlier.

...And we need to know WHY our intel agencies didn't combine Bukhari's Y2K mid-air with the 4 known Able Danger identified 9/11/2001 cell members/pilots.

[Southack]

"As their bodies were being removed from the wreckage last year, 10 Islamic men knelt nearby and raised and lowered their arms in prayer. How could there be 10 Islamic men at the scene of this wreckage in a citrus grove? They were watching and then went to where they saw the airplanes go down. They were watching."

Yes. They were watching.

[Peach]

We know that 10 Islamic men made the news by bowing and praying at the scene of the 2000 wreck in Florida BEFORE FIRE CREWS AT THAT AIRPORT COULD REMOVE THE BODIES from the aircraft. We further know that Bukhari's 9/11/2000 mid-air collision occurred within 3 miles of the runway of the Ft Pierce airport.

I didn't know that. Very good work on all this, Southack.

[dead]

And we need to know WHY our intel agencies didn't combine Bukhari's Y2K mid-air with the 4 known Able Danger identified 9/11/2001 cell members/pilots.

That’s the key question in my mind too, though we already know the answer for the most part. The important part is getting the answer on the record for the history books.

Great work on pulling this all together.

[Jim_Curtis]

But we don't know if the 9/11/2000 mid-air was a proof-of-concept crash (i.e. we can hit Air Force One in mid-air, here, watch this demo), a petty act of terrorism, an actual accident, or an illustration of the 9/11/2001 cell's seriousness (sometimes "investors" want proof of commitment to a project).

I believe it was a multipurpose demonstration that combines all of these ( except "actual accident" ) as well as a demonstration of commitment to the cell itself which is why they were there to observe it for themselves. They chose this petty act of terrorism so as not to cause a serious investigation that would endanger the cell.

[MindBender26]

>Do you have an answer to why there would be 10 Islamic men praying in the middle of a citrus grove on 9/11/00? Not only do I believe these 10 Islamic men observed the collision, They should be interviewed.


Sorry, but severe logic failure here. In order for your scenario to work, the supposed perp pilot AND HIS GROUND AGENTS WOULD HAVE TO KNOW WHERE THE OTHER A/C WOULD BE, so they could be there on ground. Since the position of the other A/C, flying NOT under positive control (going where the other uninvolved pilot wanted to go) would be a constant and unpredictable variable, they could not have known where the crash would happen.

They went there after the crash, as is common in the Islamic culture, to be near the scene of the death.

They were there before the fire crews removed the bodies, because in Florida, in the case of an "unattended death" (no physician present at the time of the death," the bodies are not moved before the medical examiner has "cleared" the scene and released the bodies. It can take hours, occasionally even days to get an ME to the scene of an accident.

Was this guy involved in the 9/11/01 preparations? Yes.

Should his movements, phone calls, etc be traced and cross checked? Yes.

Did he purposely fly into the other A/C. No.

>I SUSPECT they recorded it with a video camera.

>Those who responded to the crash site and witnessed the 10 Islamic men PROBABLY saw a video camera.

There is absolutely no evidence to this. How do you spell "assume."

[MindBender26]

re: Body removal, fire crews and crash site. Please see post #235.

[Jim_Curtis]

How would the ten Islamic men have learned of their buddy's crash before the corpse had even been pulled from the wreckage and identified?

[Southack]

"They went there after the crash, as is common in the Islamic culture, to be near the scene of the death. They were there before the fire crews removed the bodies, because in Florida, in the case of an "unattended death" (no physician present at the time of the death," the bodies are not moved before the medical examiner has "cleared" the scene and released the bodies. It can take hours, occasionally even days to get an ME to the scene of an accident."

If one assumes no prior motive, no criminal intent, then there is a logical failure with your above hypothesis:

Innocent civilians wouldn't know the names of the two pilots before their bodies were recovered from the wreckage.

Yet the 10 Islamic men *were* there at the crash scene before the bodies of the pilots were removed from the wrecked aircraft.

Were they psychic?! Who told them that their guy was on one of those two aircraft? The names weren't read from the dead pilots' ID's until *after* the bodies were recovered...and those names weren't released to the public that day at all.

Yet the 10 Islamic men were already there, praying at the crash scene.

[Kevin OMalley]

Read later bump.

[BlueNgold]

As I said, I think it is a question worth asking, and therefore a question worth answering. I don't know what relation there was, if any at all, but it certainly peaks my interest.