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Cindy Sheehan: "My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel."
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Posted on 08/10/2005 1:47:20 PM PDT by Sam Hill

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  That was my son's unit. He was killed on that day 04/04/04. Here is a letter that I wrote to NightLine about the broadcast:
  Love
 

  Cindy Sheehan
 

  March 15, 2005
 

  To Whom it May Concern:
 

  Imagine my distress when I turned Night Line on last night and I was confronted with the gory details of my son's murder in Sadr City, Baghdad, Iraq on 04/04/04. Imagine, also, my sorrow and rage at the side of the story that you presented to the American public.

[SNIP]

  I was on the Night Line Townhall Meeting in Washington, DC on 01/27/05. After I spoke (which I think was a fluke), Ted Koppel dismissed me as being "emotional." First of all, how can I approach this discussion without emotions, MY SON WAS KILLED, AND KILLED FOR LIES? Second of all, that show was not fair and balanced and I think the conclusion "Should we stay" was foregone.
 

  The show last night was also not fair and balanced. To see all the wives being interviewed who had not lost their husbands and to hear what "hard work" it is to be left behind when their husbands are at war. How hard to you think it is to have a child killed in an illegal and immoral war? In this "wonderful" group of families left behind, we had exactly ONE of the wives call us..she is Diane Rose who was my son's Colonel, Frank Rose's wife. The last time we heard from Diane was in October and we feel we have been left behind by anyone connected to the 2-5 Cavalry. Is support only given if your loved one stays alive? One wife was quoted as saying that Sundays were the hardest for the families left behind. My son was killed on Palm Sunday last year..how does anybody think Sundays are for my family?
 

  Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy...not for the real reason, becuase the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. That hasn't changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq...in fact it has gotten worse.
 

  It would be so amazing if your show would put me, or another parent who lost their child on who disagrees with the war and this administration: to have just an entire show..without presenting the false side of the debate. That would take a lot of courage and integrity. I hope your program will exhibit these qualities.
 

  I also think that Mr. Koppel owes me an apology for the rude way I was treated on his show. After I expressed myself about the war being based on lies and that the troops should be brought home immediately because the war was based on lies, I was not thanked for my comments, or my son's sacrifice. He just said to keep the discussion away from emotions. Then, the wife of a soldier who was killed was allowed to speak and she praised the policies of this deplorable and despicable administration, and she was thanked and praised by the panel.


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To: Miss Marple

Thank goodness that young man has a father and stepmother who honor his memory. His mother is not honoring her son's sacrifice and I don't understand that attitude at all.


521 posted on 08/10/2005 6:01:09 PM PDT by Peach
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To: iconoclast

"You really SHOULD talk to someone about your obsession with Palestine."

My obsession being that I asked you a question twice, because you would not reply.

Sorry I pointed out that Sheehan said that we were attacked because of Israel being in Palestine.

But that sort of is the subject of the thread. And you said you agreed with her (and thereby Bin Laden and the other jihadists).

But yeah, I'm obsessed. LOL


522 posted on 08/10/2005 6:01:20 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: iconoclast

iconoclast, that's just silly. This thread started with Cindy Sheehan's comments about Israel. Which is the reason we're discussing Israel.


523 posted on 08/10/2005 6:01:56 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: BreauxBridge

It's so interesting how you can't or won't respond to my two posts to you about just what kind of threat Iraq presented to the United States.

The two posts quoted directly from the 9/11 Commission and Senate Intelligence Committee reports but I can see you don't have the ability to argue on the facts and resort constantly to leftist mantra.


524 posted on 08/10/2005 6:02:51 PM PDT by Peach
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To: BreauxBridge

"Perhaps by not getting so involved in the area, we might win more hearts and minds."

If we had not gotten involved Saddam would have Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

Sheesh. Are you from this planet?


525 posted on 08/10/2005 6:02:57 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Miss Marple

This is from an earlier article
http://tinyurl.com/dp2ax

She turned down a chance to join what she called a ``photo op'' with President Bush on Thursday in Fort Campbell, Ky., where her son's unit -- the 101st Airborne Division -- was honored. Instead, she creates her own ceremonies.


526 posted on 08/10/2005 6:03:12 PM PDT by Freedom is eternally right
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To: Sam Hill; All

DAMN I hate this b***h oh guys one of her mentors was on O"Reilly Factor who brought her into this group you know what her mentor said she claim that she believe Michael Moore than President of the US

Let me look at stats Michael Moore a high school dropout overweight Good year blimp

George W Bush let see Yale Graduate BA in Business owner of his own oil business became owner of baseball team
Two term governor of Texas
Now President of the US

I take Texan president over that good year blimp


527 posted on 08/10/2005 6:03:23 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in, it for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: popdonnelly
Could you explain to us why the survival of Israel is not of interest to us?

Why do you ask?

Is it your primary concern?

528 posted on 08/10/2005 6:03:24 PM PDT by iconoclast (Wastin' away again in hearts-and-minds'ville.)
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To: BreauxBridge

Ever hear of the MONROE DOCTRINE ?


529 posted on 08/10/2005 6:03:49 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: subterfuge
But neo-conservative may well be sort of a bigot's (liberal) code for conservative Jewish person.

Well WOW - wait til I tell my Mom that I am considered a Jew. :o)

Can't tell you how many times I've been called a neo-con. Thanks for your answer.

530 posted on 08/10/2005 6:04:25 PM PDT by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: iconoclast

I am also disappointed that OBL's head is not resting uncomfortably on a pike. And while I disagreed with the timing of the Iraq war, I believe it would have been necessary at some point, and that's better to lance a boil sooner rather than later. And as for Israel, I lend it support. I am going to wonder how long people will hold a grudge against Israel for surviving. And it's a democracy. And it's undoubtedly a Western country. And if for no other reason than long-term geo-politics, or supporting our own, I believe America should support Israel's existence.

Now, I can appreciate that some people, many very respectable reasonable people, think Israel does some or many things that are immoral, or unjustified. In fact, I sometimes even agree with them. I don't like all of their policies. But I do know that they exist in a region that wants to literally push their citizens into the sea. That wants nothing more than to kill all those different from them, and that Jews, being a small, but successful, and visible minority are an easy target for resentment and hate.

I also look at the past of that conflict (if you will forgove the momentary diversion), and I think Israel has a good reason for being suspcious and reacting harshly.

However, I agree with you that the decision to bring OBL to justice should have been a primary concern, and a primary goal, and I agree with you that it is disappointing, and I will go farther and say shameful, that we have not done more to pursue him. However, I hope you will agree with me when I say that he is not an isolated case, and that there is a culture of hatred that has spawned him, and that hates the West, and would like nothing better than to topple America, level the West and rebirth the eternal Caliphate. Which I trust you would not like to live under. And I trust you understand that this was growing, even before 9/11. Even before the 2nd Intifada began in 2000. And, in fact, stretches back to 1917 or 1924, depending on how you look at it.

Thus, it is important, if we wish to solve the problem and not slap some placebo balm on the wound that will smell nice, temporairily relieve the pain but not ultimately heal the wound nor cure the festering infection, that we remove the source of the threat. Which is what we are trying to do. Albeit, with different degrees of success. I think we can all agree here that a higher degree of efficiency and success is possible and, obviously, preferable. But I think in general, and once again I speak only for myself, that I would rather America do something, then nothing. And that if it comes to the fall of the West, I would rather go down swinging than lying down. Or having my children growing up in an Islamist suicide cult. Better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees.


531 posted on 08/10/2005 6:05:45 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Canada: Inventor of the Adromonon (If you don't know what it is, then it's kinda sad we're proud of)
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To: Peach

He's a newbie troll and needs to be ZOTTED. I'm really sick of seeing DNC posted to FR, by supposed "Conservatives".


532 posted on 08/10/2005 6:07:21 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Mo1

Cindy has had her fill of tough questions it seems. She ran away.


533 posted on 08/10/2005 6:10:39 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Casey Sheehan, thank you for your service. I'm proud of you. Even if your own mother isn't.)
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To: BreauxBridge
Reported by whom? Where are you getting the absolute falsehoods, that you are posting as "facts"?

You don't know what you're talking about, know little history, and understand what you do know, not at all!

Respond to those who post to you, newbie. Ignoring us, makes you look more and more trollish, with each post you make.

534 posted on 08/10/2005 6:10:52 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Sam Hill
Notice the constant theme...me,me,me,me,me,me......

I am sorry her Son was killed, I am. That neither justifies nor validifies her ramblings. I would trade places with him, if it was possible, to erase the hurt.

IMO, her perspective is; she has been brainwashed by the lib left, she lost her Son, and SHE is hurting.

So typical of today's society...it's all about ME!
535 posted on 08/10/2005 6:11:02 PM PDT by papasmurf (Dear Lord, Please make me the Commanding General In Iraq for just 3 months, Amen.)
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To: nopardons
I suppose in any large group of people, some of them are bound to be leftists. So it is with those serving in Iraq.

What infuriates me is that the media is hiding the associations these leftist survivors have, and are not showing the people who support the war.

It seems to me that those who support the war have as much right to be heard as those who oppose it.

536 posted on 08/10/2005 6:11:11 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Karl Rove is Plame-proof.)
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To: Military family member
Everything I've read by or about this woman convinces me that she is more than just a little crazy. I think the death of her son made her snap.
Then you've got to read this (Grieving Calif Mother's War Protest Gains Momentum in Crawford) and my reply.
She snapped before he even left for boot camp!
"I said, 'I'll take you to Canada' ...
Now I know the woman is wacked out. There was no need to take her son to Canada as there is no draft and the military is all volunteer. Does she not realize what she is saying and how daft it makes her look?
537 posted on 08/10/2005 6:11:34 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: Miss Marple

Great find, Jane! :-)


538 posted on 08/10/2005 6:11:49 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: iconoclast

It's not my primary concern, but it is a concern. As, for example, the survival of Western Europe was a concern during the Cold War. As I said earlier, I don't see why the destruction of Israel is a proper subject for international discussion. I don't hear similar expressions of disdain for, say, Azerbaijan or Zimbabwe.


539 posted on 08/10/2005 6:14:19 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: Sam Hill
But I realize your answer is probably: "sure let Israel be wiped off the earth. Why not?" But you're just too shy to say it.

GASP!

Careful Sam, you're creeping perilously close to acknowledging that are troops and our treasury are bleeding for Israel and not for our national interest. I simply said we should have hunted down our enemy and killed him

Your implication that our primary concern must be Israel would be treasonous, wouldn't it?

540 posted on 08/10/2005 6:15:13 PM PDT by iconoclast (Wastin' away again in hearts-and-minds'ville.)
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