Fair Tax Support Gaining Momentum Quickly!

[Man50D]

Tom Wright, who is the Executive Director for the Americans For Fair Taxation http://www.fairtax.org announced on the Neil Boortz's radio show this afternoon that AFFT is adding approximatley 5,000 members each day since the FairTax Book was released!. One estimate put the total number of Fair Tax Volunteers prior to the Fair Tax book release at approximately 600,000. It will take slightly less than three months(400,000/5,000) to reach 1,000,000. We're on a roll!

[Man50D]

Spread the word!

[Phantom Lord]

Boortz book is the #1 non fiction on Amazon and most brick and mortar stores are sold out and waiting another shipment.

[konaice]

Isn't this about the time have the freepers start whining about the absense of tax refunds under Fair Tax, and the lack of morgage write-offs, and saying it will never work. Then other half tries to explain it to them. Then the 3rd Half brings up the flat tax to confuse the issue because they can not fathom life without the IRS? Rage On Freepers. ;-)

[Phantom Lord]

Speaking of mortgage deductions and flat tax. I have a friend who liked the flat tax until he found out he would lose his mortgage interest deduction. Then he was 100% opposed to it. I showed him that under the flat tax he would pay LESS in income taxes than he currently did with the mortgage deduction and he still was opposed just because he wanted his mortgage interest deduction. Some peoples blinders just don't allow them to see.

[GianniV]

The IRS is right up there with the ATF in terms of model government organizations.

Jack booted thugs - all of them.

[Always Right]

I showed him that under the flat tax he would pay LESS in income taxes than he currently did with the mortgage deduction and he still was opposed just because he wanted his mortgage interest deduction.

Well you need to tell him instead of a deduction, under the 'fair tax' there will be a tax on top of his mortgage interest.

[Big Red Clay]

I am about two thirds of the way through Boortz's book. I would strongly suggest picking it up. (only 15 bucks at Sam's Club btw)

[Paulus Invictus]

Forbe's Flat Tax is the only way to go! The consumption tax does not work! Ask any country with the tax now in place.

[Man50D]

How's Forbes's book selling?

[Phantom Lord]

Forbe's Flat Tax is the only way to go!

Remember, our current income tax started as a flat tax.

The consumption tax does not work! Ask any country with the tax now in place.

What country currently operates solely on a point of sale, retail sales tax as America would under the Fair Tax?

[konaice]

Ask any country with the tax now in place.

Another person who has clearly NOT read what is proposed.

Raises specter of VATs and suggests they "don't work", regardless of the fact that no country using a VAT has ever repealed it, and regardless of the fact that Fair Tax is not a VAT.

Just go back and READ IT FOR GOD's SAKE!!!

[Blood of Tyrants]

That is among the PEOPLE. However, the pols prefer to steal our money in a hundred different places so we notice it less.

[Phantom Lord]

Fair Tax FAQ

[Paulus Invictus]

I did, and still not convinced. The main reason I'm told that countries have not "repealed the VAT" is that they are trapped by it. Once in it, it is hard to get out. I have read much about the fair tax and the flat tax, and frankly, the flat tax wins my vote. Have you read the Forbes book about the flat tax? A comparison is a good idea.

[konaice]

From the Faq:

What about the flat tax? Would it be better and easier to pass?

The flat tax and the FairTax share some important similarities. They are both flat-rate taxes that are neutral with respect to savings and investment. The flat tax, however, retains the invasive income tax administration apparatus and can easily revert to a graduated, convoluted mess, as it has many times over many years.

Very few people really understand the flat tax. Its authors will tell you it is a consumption tax that uses the income tax system for implementation. Only an academic or government bureaucrat would dream up a consumption tax that needs the invasive income tax apparatus for its application, when one can simply have a retail sales tax and reduce the bureaucracy by 90 percent or more! In addition, a large part of the burden of the flat tax – the business tax – will remain hidden from people in the retail price of goods and services.

In contrast, the FairTax is simple, easy to understand, and visible. It cannot be converted into an income tax.

Under a flat tax, individuals would still file an income tax return each year similar to today’s 1040 EZ. While this is a simple postcard, the record keeping required to fill in the blanks is still long and burdensome. Under the FairTax, individuals would never file a tax return again, ever! Under the flat tax, the payroll tax would be retained and income tax withholding would still be with us. Under the FairTax, the payroll tax, which is a larger and more regressive tax burden for most Americans than is the income tax, would be repealed. Under the FairTax, what you earn is what you keep. No more withholding taxes; no more income tax.

Notwithstanding flat tax proponents’ honorable intentions, income tax reform has been less than a success in the past. Congress has tried to reform the income tax again and again, with the result being greater complexity and, generally, higher rates. The problem is the income tax, and it is time to stop tinkering with it.

Flat tax supporters have made major political attempts to pass their reform, including the efforts of former Majority Leader Dick Armey and presidential candidate Steve Forbes, and yet, their efforts have not progressed politically for several years. With every debate, the flat tax loses grassroots and congressional support to the FairTax. It is time to junk the entire income tax system and start over with a tax system that is more appropriate for a free society and better able to meet the needs of the information age.

[Always Right]

Raises specter of VATs and suggests they "don't work"

Well many countries that have a VAT today, started out as a sales tax. A sales tax has been tried in over a dozen countries, all of which have VATs today.

[RobFromGa]

For a discussion: A Fair Question about the Fair Tax

[konaice]

Well many countries that have a VAT today, started out as a sales tax

Not true. They started out as VATs. There is a BIG difference. You can't mistake one for the other unless you are willfully ignorant. FairTax is a RETAIL sales tax. Its not a tax on raw materials or items to be used in the production of another product.

Those countries running VATS started with VATS they did not migrate a sales tax into a VAT, and even if they had, their sales tax was never solely a RETAIL Sales tax.

[Always Right]

Not true. They started out as VATs. There is a BIG difference. You can't mistake one for the other unless you are willfully ignorant.

Sorry, but I am not the one who is willfully ignorant. There have been over 20 countries who have tried the SALES TAX, and EVERYONE of them concluded it was unworkable due to TAX AVOIDANCE. All went to the VAT tax. Read up on some stuff other than the fair tax propaganda and learn.

[konaice]

Sorry Rob, but that thread is hopelessly muddled and full of mis-information, and its over 800 posts long. That's not the way to educate.

The fairtax Faq is the best place to start.