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Bush pushes very hot button. President's comments embolden anti-evolutionists.
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 8/8/05 | Joe Garofoli

Posted on 08/08/2005 6:15:00 PM PDT by Crackingham

The real impact of President Bush weighing in on the national debate over how to teach the origins of life may be felt in the classroom, where much of the anti-evolutionary lobbying is done under the radar.

One tactic is for a student or parent to present the teacher with a list that's popular in conservative circles called, "Ten questions to ask your biology teacher."

The result, observers say, is that some teachers fear even mentioning "the e-word."

"That's what people would somewhat jokingly call it," said Al Janulaw, who spent more than 30 years teaching science in elementary and middle schools. For the past six he has been a Sonoma State University instructor teaching student teachers how to teach science.

The White House entered one of the country's most politically charged red- and-blue battles last week when Bush was asked at a news conference about his views on evolution and intelligent design -- a critique that says Charles Darwin's natural selection theory doesn't explain some features of the natural world.

"I felt like both sides ought to be properly taught," Bush said. "I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought."

The mere fact that Bush mentioned intelligent design on the same footing as evolutionary teaching is being seen as a huge moral boost for anti-Darwin critics.

Although California schools are not in the center of the debate, as are schools in other parts of the country, some of the state's science teachers are apprehensive and see Bush's comments as an unwelcome intrusion of religion into the science curriculum.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bush43; creationism; crevolist; evolutiondebate; intelligentdesign; publicschool; religion; scienceeducation
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1 posted on 08/08/2005 6:15:00 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

Good.


2 posted on 08/08/2005 6:16:24 PM PDT by My2Cents ("The essence of American journalism is vulgarity divested of truth." -- Winston Churchill)
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To: PatrickHenry

3 posted on 08/08/2005 6:17:11 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Crackingham
Don't you dare question scientific consensus, scientist may actually have to defend their theory.
4 posted on 08/08/2005 6:18:10 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Crackingham

I see these threads go over 1,000 posts. I wonder if I am the only one who doesn't give a damn one way or the other.


5 posted on 08/08/2005 6:18:20 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (The constitution is not in exile, it's in a nice safe deposit box in the Cayman Islands - Lileks)
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To: Crackingham

Now, if he just would suggest that churches need to give both sides...


6 posted on 08/08/2005 6:19:56 PM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Crackingham
The result, observers say, is that some teachers fear even mentioning "the e-word."

Poor teachers - can't just spew canned lessons that require no thought.

7 posted on 08/08/2005 6:20:01 PM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Crackingham

What're the 10 questions?


8 posted on 08/08/2005 6:20:24 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Crackingham

Science is the least tolerant of religions.


9 posted on 08/08/2005 6:20:43 PM PDT by Majic (Temporary taxes are as common as temporary death.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I donno if the ping list can handle another one of these right now. There's a few other threads that are quite active. Maybe I'll just sit back on this one.


10 posted on 08/08/2005 6:22:40 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: lepton

ORIGIN OF LIFE. Why do textbooks claim that the 1953 Miller-Urey experiment shows how life's building blocks may have formed on the early Earth -- when conditions on the early Earth were probably nothing like those used in the experiment, and the origin of life remains a mystery?

DARWIN'S TREE OF LIFE. Why don't textbooks discuss the "Cambrian explosion," in which all major animal groups appear together in the fossil record fully formed instead of branching from a common ancestor -- thus contradicting the evolutionary tree of life?

HOMOLOGY. Why do textbooks define homology as similarity due to common ancestry, then claim that it is evidence for common ancestry -- a circular argument masquerading as scientific evidence?

VERTEBRATE EMBRYOS. Why do textbooks use drawings of similarities in vertebrate embryos as evidence for their common ancestry -- even though biologists have known for over a century that vertebrate embryos are not most similar in their early stages, and the drawings are faked?

ARCHAEOPTERYX. Why do textbooks portray this fossil as the missing link between dinosaurs and modern birds -- even though modern birds are probably not descended from it, and its supposed ancestors do not appear until millions of years after it?

PEPPERED MOTHS. Why do textbooks use pictures of peppered moths camouflaged on tree trunks as evidence for natural selection -- when biologists have known since the 1980s that the moths don't normally rest on tree trunks, and all the pictures have been staged?

DARWIN'S FINCHES. Why do textbooks claim that beak changes in Galapagos finches during a severe drought can explain the origin of species by natural selection -- even though the changes were reversed after the drought ended, and no net evolution occurred?

MUTANT FRUIT FLIES. Why do textbooks use fruit flies with an extra pair of wings as evidence that DNA mutations can supply raw materials for evolution -- even though the extra wings have no muscles and these disabled mutants cannot survive outside the laboratory?

HUMAN ORIGINS. Why are artists' drawings of ape-like humans used to justify materialistic claims that we are just animals and our existence is a mere accident -- when fossil experts cannot even agree on who our supposed ancestors were or what they looked like?

EVOLUTION A FACT? Why are we told that Darwin's theory of evolution is a scientific fact -- even though many of its claims are based on misrepresentations of the facts?


11 posted on 08/08/2005 6:24:04 PM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: lepton

#10: If you teach evolution, why do you want to make baby Jesus cry?
#9: What level of hell do evolutionists inhabit?
#8: ...


12 posted on 08/08/2005 6:25:54 PM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: orionblamblam
"Now, if he just would suggest that churches need to give both sides...

How about a disclaimer sticker on all bibles inside churches, something like "Remember, the material in this book is only belief for which there is no evidence. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."
13 posted on 08/08/2005 6:27:34 PM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: orionblamblam

All those objecting to evolution - raise your tails and throw a coconut at the vote counter.


14 posted on 08/08/2005 6:30:09 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: orionblamblam

Why has the MSM kept Intelligent Design under cover? Are there not scientist who are able to carry that side of the debate? Or is it that the institutional might of the evolutionists are unwilling and unable to carry on the debate?


15 posted on 08/08/2005 6:33:43 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup
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To: Crackingham

I refuse to get into this debate again. I will say only one thing. When I was in school, religious beliefs were not discussed in public school. It wasn't "policy." It just wasn't discussed (nor was it prohibited). What we were taught in the sciences did not cross any line and we were taught what "many scientists believe...(whatever)". There was no conflict. We were expected on exams to know what "many scientists believed" as theory.

What we were taught in religious education (outside of public school) really did not conflict with what we were taught in school.

This current perceived problem has only arisen as a backlash to those who are interested in removing the possibility of religious belief not only from our school children, but from society in general. Secularism has become a religion in and of itself. I'm tired of secularist fanatics who wish to destroy freedom of religion.

Present the facts and let students and families decide.


16 posted on 08/08/2005 6:34:21 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: TrebleRebel
HOMOLOGY. Why do textbooks define homology as similarity due to common ancestry, then claim that it is evidence for common ancestry -- a circular argument masquerading as scientific evidence?

I think they've identified a common poor explanation. Mayhaps this'll spur textbook writers to learn to write better.

18 posted on 08/08/2005 6:35:19 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: dubyaismypresident; All

You are not. Put me on the doesn't give a hoot bandwagon.

BTW, hasn't the crevo thread business gotten to be a bit much as of late?


19 posted on 08/08/2005 6:35:35 PM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: Crackingham

*sigh* hasn't this been covered enough. I see the media want to string this out for weeks.


20 posted on 08/08/2005 6:35:38 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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