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No More Electric Bills [Solar Panels for Roof Tiles!]
Newsweek ^ | Aug 15, 2005 | Andrew Murr

Posted on 08/08/2005 8:49:57 AM PDT by Quick1

Nicholas and Loan Gatai used to cringe when they received power bills that routinely topped $200. Last September the Sacramento, Calif., couple moved into a new, 1,500-square-foot home in Premier Gardens, a subdivision of 95 "zero-energy homes" just outside town. Now they're actually eager to see their electric bills. The grand total over the 10 months they've lived in the three-bedroom, stucco-and-stone house: $75. For the past two months they haven't paid a cent. Story continues below ↓ advertisement

Almost unknown outside California, ZEH communities are the leading edge of technologies that might someday create houses that produce as much energy as they consume. Premier Gardens, which opened last summer, is one of a half-dozen subdivisions in California where every home cuts power consumption by at least 50 percent, mostly by using low-power appliances and solar panels. Several more are under construction this year, including the first ZEH community for seniors.

Aside from the bright patch of solar modules on the roof, Premier Gardens looks like a community of conventional homes. But inside, it's clear why they save energy. "Spectrally selective" windows cut power bills by blocking solar heat in the summer and retaining indoor warmth in cold weather. Fluorescent bulbs throughout use two thirds the juice of incandescents. A suitcase-size tankless hot-water heater in the garage, powered by gas, saves energy by warming water only when the tap is turned on.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; US: California
KEYWORDS: solar
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To: sinanju

Perhaps if enough demand is generated, the free market will bring down the price.


21 posted on 08/08/2005 9:01:18 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: COEXERJ145

I live in Texas, where we have a great deal of sun shine, if this ever becomes affordable I am there.


22 posted on 08/08/2005 9:01:32 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: oldleft

This is addressed in the article. I know a couple people who use their own generators for their energy useage. Anything they don't use gets sent to the power company, and they get a check at the end of the month.


23 posted on 08/08/2005 9:02:55 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: cripplecreek
One neighbor heats his garage with solar heated water piped through the floor.

That's a cool idea!
24 posted on 08/08/2005 9:04:26 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: Little Ray

> Add that to the expense and they don't [do?] any better
> than the average power plant (and a whole lot worse'n nukes).

But if ya gotta live in CA, which seems to be not adding
capacity to meet the growth in residences, solar might
keep the lights on.

What's the cost of a kilowatt you can't get due to a
rolling blackout?

Anyhow, we slowly edge toward break-even on PV.
I hear there's a panel shortage at the moment.


25 posted on 08/08/2005 9:04:53 AM PDT by Boundless
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To: DM1

And chop up the poor birds?


26 posted on 08/08/2005 9:05:47 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Quick1

Note the picture of the house with the three car garage in the article. Ah, yes, oil.


27 posted on 08/08/2005 9:05:49 AM PDT by Tarheel (Tarheel born, Tarheel bred, When I die I am Tarheel dead.)
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To: Little Ray

"And chop up the poor birds?"
sure them's good eatin! chopping em up makes it easier to put in the stewpot


28 posted on 08/08/2005 9:06:40 AM PDT by DM1
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To: oldleft

It would be pretty cool to get a check from the utilities. Also, its nice to have that as a back up power system when you lose power.
The units themselves are not so cheap and I have not heard about lifespan.
I have checked out a few different companies and the pricing is fairly consistant. Just like when you look at buying a new more efficient furnace, you have to figure how many years it will take to pay for it in energy savings. Solar will take many years. I think that there is also a good tax break, state and federal in most states.


29 posted on 08/08/2005 9:06:51 AM PDT by Holicheese (Timmy like windmills!)
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To: MarineBrat

In Cali, or desert states, PV cells are a brain dead choice.. if you can afford it do it..

11 months of sunshine a year... DUH..

Its not a great option in places like the temperate rain forests of Seattle and Pittsburgh.

I know if I was out in Cali still I'd probably be saving up to put em in.


30 posted on 08/08/2005 9:08:20 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Quick1

Nope, in the US very, very few operate on oil.

The only use for oil in power generation in the US is for backup, remote sites and mobile applications.


31 posted on 08/08/2005 9:08:34 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: Quick1

If that article is from Sacramento area...it's just acroos the street by Primier Homes..near a gallaria Mall. My neighbor is getting solar tiles for his existing home. I'm curiuos to see how it goes. I'd love to do it


32 posted on 08/08/2005 9:09:02 AM PDT by madison46 (Would Dems in 1905 be running on ideas from 1835? That's what they do now.)
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To: Quick1

I heat my garage in the summer using solar energy. Too bad I live in Texas.


33 posted on 08/08/2005 9:09:11 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding Shetlands.....)
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To: MarineBrat

They won't save oil.

In CA our utility power absolutely does not come from oil. Nuke, Hydro and Natural Gas. Thats it, unless you have a location off the grid with a diesel generator.

On some lonely Sierra mountaintop solar makes a good price/convenience alternative to that diesel, if you don't need the power to run some big motors.


34 posted on 08/08/2005 9:12:46 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: Holicheese
I looked into this for my new house. Problem is that you need to be in that house for a minimum of 7 years or so for the solar power equipment to pay for itself.

And what's the alternative? Just continue paying high monthly power bills?

35 posted on 08/08/2005 9:13:11 AM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: Quick1

I've read there are actually self contained mini power systems for all houses....wonder why they're not on the market?


36 posted on 08/08/2005 9:13:44 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: buwaya

After a Google search, Isee you are right. I was under the mistaken impression that oil power plants were near the top, if not at the top, of power generation in the country.

Still though, moving to solar is not a terrible idea, even if it does nothing to lessen our oil demand. Simply giving ourselves more renewable energy is a very good thing.


37 posted on 08/08/2005 9:14:14 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: DM1
ok maybe i can just put a windmill on top of my garage ;)

Be careful. You will be fined for killing sparrows.

38 posted on 08/08/2005 9:15:21 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Travis McGee

They are very much a contender for use off the grid, if you don't have a need for a lot of power.


39 posted on 08/08/2005 9:15:23 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: Holicheese
Problem is that you need to be in that house for a minimum of 7 years or so for the solar power equipment to pay for itself.

More like 107 years, but the whole thing needs to be replaced long before then.

I have built a number of "solar" houses, but have limited them to passive features, and active hot water systems. Energy, in the form of heat, is easy to transfer, and store. Electricity is a lot different.

The "array" of cells, whether roof panels, or shingles, must be facing the sun, and then it will give varying degrees of output, during that daily cycle. It must be regulated, in its output. If the sun doesn't shine, then it has a very limited collection capability. It must be used, or stored. Storage requires batteries, which have a reasonable short "shelf life", and are bulky, and expensive. They must be stored specially. In addition, the DC current that is generated is not effective for most normal appliances, and electronics. It must be "conditioned" into the higher voltage alternating currents.

Maybe there will be some big changes, but for now, it doesn't make economic sense to generate electricity using the sun...

40 posted on 08/08/2005 9:16:12 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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