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Just how much of the "News" is manufactured?
8/6/05 | John Knight

Posted on 08/06/2005 7:32:28 PM PDT by MNJohnnie

Watching the Dinosaur Media manufacture "news" stories over the last year (i.e. Rathergate, Downing Street Memo Fraud, Joe Wilson and the CIA "Leak" etc etc etc) a thought occurred to me. Journalist try to pass this all off as a "recent" development in Journalism. A product of "Agenda journalism". I am not so sure. I wonder if maybe this sort of thing has been going on all along and it is only the rise of the "New" media that is catching them at it. Makes you wonder what other "Facts" everyone "knows" are nothing more then made up propaganda from a "journalist" with no morals and a perchance for creative writing?


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: fabrication; iraq; news; plame; propaganda; puppetmasters; wilson
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To: motoboy

I love the smell of ozone... reminds me of victory.


42 posted on 08/06/2005 9:04:24 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty

The boy is no longer able to post. Does him well, I suspect.


43 posted on 08/06/2005 9:04:42 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: MNJohnnie

I'm increasingly convinced that 95% of it [i.e. news which has any impact on society at all--including manipulating impact] is manufactured by the puppet masters.

Wouldn't be surprised if it were a higher percentage.


44 posted on 08/06/2005 9:05:19 PM PDT by Quix (GOD'S LOVE IS INCREDIBLE . . . BUT MUST BE RECEIVED TO . . .)
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To: MNJohnnie

This is a very valid question.

If we go back to late '60s and Vietnam war - what did we have then? What have we had with the image of the Vietnam Vet?

It is demonstrable that the "News" has been slanted for at least that long. This is demonstrablebecause real people are still with us who know what really happened, and data is a bit stronger on more issues since the '60's than before.

Note that at the end of the Anita Hill perjury >60% of Americans believed Clarence Thomas. One year later >60% believed Anita Hill. The only external input was media representation of the case.

I agree with others posting - it is less intentionally fabricated stories, and more the filtering and biased reporting of stories (intentional or not) that are the majority of the problem. I think the fabrications are just evidence of the extent of the slide, from leanings, to unintentional bias, to journalistic activism, to intentional bias, finally ending in pure fabrication.

Note that this is also happening in environmental science, and within the sceince of endangered species (I can't remember the exact case a few years back where the scientists were taking some sort of fox haris of an endangered fox and planting them in new areas, so that these areas could be claimed as fox habitat).

My personal theory is that many of these things can be traced to the reduction in value placed on honor in our society.

Diva's Husband


45 posted on 08/06/2005 9:06:49 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: motoboy
I do not notice any argument. Really. This is just standard MSM propaganda, the standard lie. I hear it all the time. "Stupid is as stupid does."

What is actually happening is considerably different.

I truly do not give a grain of dust about your opinions, though you are a convenient outlet for my hostility towards fools, willful fools. Simply put, you are not thinking. Do not feel like the Lone Ranger, because you have a lot of company.
46 posted on 08/06/2005 9:09:02 PM PDT by Iris7 ("A pig's gotta fly." - Porco Rosso)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Somewhere in liberal hell, there is a frustrated boy sitting at his computer and wondering, 'why can't i post no more'.


47 posted on 08/06/2005 9:10:58 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty

Admin Mod could explain, but it would probably be wasted energy...


48 posted on 08/06/2005 9:12:32 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

I know exactly why.


49 posted on 08/06/2005 9:13:02 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: MNJohnnie
Well.... in a previous lifetime... well ok, back in 1978/1979 anyway.... I had access to AP and UPI wire feeds that came into a radio station where a good friend was the DJ from midnight to 6 am. Needless to say, that's a very dead time of night and as he was the only one in the building, I used to take a six pack down there and hang out sometimes.

A favorite way of passing the time was to watch the stories printing out non stop and see which ones "disappear" before the next repeat begins... It was rather eye opening, even for a 20 year old punk just looking for a reason to party (that was me then). It didn't happen every single night, but there was a definite agenda to be seen by what stories were repeated endlessly with multiple versions of the same crap vs. which stories appeared once and only once, never to be seen again.

I am not a reporter, but from watching the traffic on the wire services, it appeared that reporters put their stories in raw and in real time, but there was obviously "editing" going on and certain flavors of stories were pulled almost immediately.

You're thinking is on the right track IMHO.

Cheers,
Lloyd

50 posted on 08/06/2005 9:13:11 PM PDT by Lloyd227
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To: MNJohnnie

Jason Blair just called me from a bar in Vegas to confirm your story. Said he and Dan Rather are almost finished writing next week's headlines and we would get the email as soon as Hillary finishes the last minute editing. Also said it would be mostly Bush's fault whatever that means. ;o)


51 posted on 08/06/2005 9:13:21 PM PDT by Liberty Valance ( Howdy!)
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To: All

Now wait a minute folks. Our little commie friend is half right. Old white guys do run most media outlets and always have. But they aren't conservative by any means.

Most of the garbage foisted on this society in the last fifty years has indeed come from old white guys like Ted Kennedy and Earl Warren. But these are liberal, elitist, girlymen who couldn't identify with a chevy driving working man in a million years. They do as they please, but impose the will of their pet groups and parasitic voters and friends on the rest of us. They are the lowest forms of louts and traitors.


52 posted on 08/06/2005 9:19:56 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: MNJohnnie
This old adage must have been written with the MSM in mind:

Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see.

53 posted on 08/06/2005 9:20:36 PM PDT by MonitorMaid (It is not freedom which permits the Trojan Horse to be wheeled within the gates...)
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To: ex-Texan
Just how much of the "News" is manufactured?

Television news is the worst.

Agree, and constant news articles about RE bubble predictions and doom and gloom aren't much better.

___________________________________________________________

California: Silicon Valley a Vibrant Housing Market

(August 4, 2005) -- Amid all the speculation about bubbles bursting and overvaluation of markets, California's housing industry is holding strong—thanks in large part to the vibrancy of the Silicon Valley region.

Demand for housing has followed the growth of industry in the Silicon Valley region for more than half a century, dating back to the days when its economy was dominated by government defense contractors. What would eventually become the epicenter of the global computing revolution has only gained steam since then.

With the market's emergence on the global stage, Silicon Valley's demographics have changed dramatically. The tech industry has remained strong, offering lucrative salaries to an increasingly international base of homebuyers.

full story

http://www.realtor.org/rmodaily.nsf/1eff70c2344dbb1186256ca800625717/f38d4c075ff0629186257053004f486

54 posted on 08/06/2005 9:25:17 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: sweetjane
For instance, as a business person, I see this all the time in my local paper. The business writers don't know what they're talking half of the time.


Kind of been bothering me recently. What do you call a self-important moron who is convinced they are a expert on all the more complex fields of human endeavor? A person who considers themselves qualified to render judgments on everything from Military Strategy to Law?

An American "Journalist".
55 posted on 08/06/2005 10:58:25 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Iraq is a Terrorist bug hotel, Terrorists go in, they do not come out.)
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To: ForGod'sSake
"younger, educated and intelligent"

Troll boy obviously never met any journalists. Most "Journalists" are, like him, unwashed, arrogantly opinionated and stupid. To watch "Journalists" in action is to watch bunch of self-important know who are actually amazingly uninformed and, well, STUPID. Most journalists ARE basically the complete opposite of what troll boy here claims. It is getting painfully embarrassing to watch these "journalists" in action. Like Troll Boy, their opinion of themselves is not matched by an measurable accomplishments.
56 posted on 08/06/2005 11:07:08 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Iraq is a Terrorist bug hotel, Terrorists go in, they do not come out.)
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To: Liberty Valance

Also said it would be mostly Bush's fault whatever that means. ;o)

Opps, guess they haven't see the new economic data from Friday. The headline was suppose to be "Bush has nothing to do with it!" Can you call them back before deadline?


57 posted on 08/06/2005 11:12:46 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Iraq is a Terrorist bug hotel, Terrorists go in, they do not come out.)
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To: Luke21

Most of the garbage foisted on this society in the last fifty years has indeed come from old white guys like Ted Kennedy and Earl Warren


Don't forget who I suspect is troll boy's favorite hero, Robert KKK Byrd.


58 posted on 08/06/2005 11:13:46 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Iraq is a Terrorist bug hotel, Terrorists go in, they do not come out.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Troll boy obviously never met any journalists.

I doubt the boy has even left home yet. His "style" was high schoolish; early college maybe.

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59 posted on 08/06/2005 11:20:26 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

"it is less intentionally fabricated stories..."

The worst kind of 'fabricated story' is, perhaps, when the media manufactures events so that they have a 'better' story.

Case in point - mid '79 to mid '81 I lived in Northern Ireland. I was there during the hunger strikes in H-block in the Maze. I was there when Bobby Sands finally succeeded in committing suicide by not eating. There were riots in Belfast. There were British police/soldiers out with their armored personnel carriers. Activity was too slow for some American TV crews. They paid boys on the street to throw Molitov cocktails at the APC's. Manufactured news event. Raised the ante in the 'riots' to 'newsworthy' level. Having witnessed that sort of thing, I have often wondered how much else of reported news events have been rigged to make them a story.

You also make a good point about the reporting during the Vietnam war - MSM, Hanoi Jane and Hanoi John caused the loss of that war. Before Jane and John (F'n Kerry) got into the act the North Vietnamese were considering surrender.


60 posted on 08/06/2005 11:41:19 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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