Islamic group warns Blair about militants ban

breakingnews.iol.ie ^ | 08/05/05 | breakingnews.iol.ie

[Pikamax]

Islamic group warns Blair about militants ban 05/08/2005 - 13:03:59

British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s pledge to ban militant Islamic groups will be seen by Muslims as “stifling legitimate political dissent”, a member of Hizb ut-Tahrir said today.

Imran Waheed, a spokesman for Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain, said the group would fight any ban through the courts and insisted it was a “non-violent political party”.

He added: “There will be serious repercussions in terms of community relations if this ban goes ahead. We have a lot of support among the Muslim community in Britain and it will be seen by the Muslim community as stifling legitimate political dissent.

“Hizb ut-Tahrir is a non-violent political party. It has had a history of non-violence for the last 50 years and these measures are like what we have seen in Uzbekistan where President Karimov has been burning his political opponents alive. Our members are all for political expression, not for violence.”

Mr Waheed said the group had made its position on the London bombings clear - that it was “not justified to take innocent lives”.

“We have been very clear about that and we will fight any ban through the legal system. We will continue our work. Our work is totally non-violent.”

But he added: “Our views are very similar to those in the Muslim community. We want an end to Western interference in Muslim countries.”

Mr Waheed rejected shadow defence minister Gerald Howarth’s comments that Muslims opposed to the British way of life should leave the country even if they are UK citizens.

“This is nothing to do with not liking the country,” he said. “We were born in Britain and there is nothing precluding a Muslim from a being a decent citizen in this country. By doing this, he (Mr Blair) is setting an example to the tyrant rulers of the Muslim world, encouraging them to further suppress their populations.”

The Hizb ut-Tahrir website says the group’s aim is to “resume the Islamic way of life and to convey the Islamic da’wah (teachings) to the world”.

A statement posted following the G8 summit in Gleneagles, Scotland, last month said the “colonialists, especially America and Britain, harbour a hidden hatred against Islam and the Muslims".

It continued: “They forget their differences when it comes to Islam and the Muslims. The London explosions, which took place at the time of the G8 summit, revealed this crusader viewpoint and hatred of Islam and the Muslims to the extent that every Muslim in Britain, even British citizens, have come under suspicion where even some British organisations have begun calling openly for ‘waging a crusader war to expel Muslims from the streets of Europe’.

“You can see these states, especially the colonialist states and those which have ambitions over our countries, may disagree on everything but they are united against you and against your Deen (faith).”

The site has several question and answer-style pages arguing that America is trying to create an “evil empire which will control the whole world”.

Other statements read: “Western capitalism is a shameful and licentious civilisation for which there is no precedent known in history. Abnormal behaviour, mutilation and nudity can be found amongst human beings.”

The common link between Al Muhajiroun and Hizb ut-Tahir is Sheikh Omar bin Bakri bin Mohammed.

Bakri Mohammed has been investigated by police over his allegedly inflammatory language, but no charges have ever been brought.

After living in Syria and Lebanon, he was expelled from Saudi Arabia as an extremist and arrived in Britain in 1986.

He set up a branch of Hizb ut-Tahrir (Party of Liberation), which recruited from mosques and colleges.

He split from the group in 1996 and created Al-Muhajiroun (The Eyes and Ears of the Muslims), which praised the “Magnificent 19” hijackers after September 11.

Last October, Bakri Mohammed announced he was disbanding Al-Muhajiroun in the interests of unity in the Muslim world, and has since adopted a lower profile.

However, he is now head of one of the “successor organisations” referred to by Mr Blair today – the Saviour Sect (Ahl ul-Sunnah wal Jammah), which disrupted a Muslim Council of Britain press conference in April.

A group of chanting militants stormed the meeting, condemning the Council as “a mouthpiece” of Mr Blair’s and claiming that voting in the General Election would go against Islam.

There were chaotic scenes as a group of more than a dozen men, two of them masked, broke down the door of the library in the Central London Mosque in Regent’s Park.

The men who burst in said they represented the Saviour Sect, from the disbanded Al Muhajiroun group and headed by cleric Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed.

They also targeted election candidates George Galloway and Oona King in violent scuffles during hustings in London’s East End in April.

Another Al-Muhajiroun offshoot is known as Al Ghurabaa, or “The Strangers”.

This week, Al Ghurabaa spokesman Abu Izzadeen refused to condemn the July 7 bombings and said he hoped they would make people “wake up and smell the coffee”.

[Doogle]

..He added: “There will be serious repercussions in terms of community relations if this ban goes ahead. We have a lot of support among the Muslim community in Britain and it will be seen by the Muslim community as stifling legitimate political dissent.

...in other words, let's move our operations to the United States, where groups likes the ACLU will fight for our cause and enable us to subvert democratic societies to Islamic laws. Political correctness has taken a direct hit in Britain, and the Brits will be a test case. Talk of expelling fanatics and those who support them will be looked upon very closely. Talk is just that,talk. Action needs to be taken. We'll see.


Doogle

[Sterm26]

“Western capitalism is a shameful and licentious civilisation for which there is no precedent known in history. Abnormal behaviour, mutilation and nudity can be found amongst human beings.”

The Muslims don't seem to have a problem with the abnormal behavior and mutilation, now do they? And they have a rabidly unhealthy view of nudity (though I like it much better when they keep their towels and burkas over thier faces, thank you very much).

Don't like it? Go back to your litter box.

[MizSterious]

They are just trying to disguise their whines as "threats." Mr. Blair, start with these. Out with 'em.

[PigRigger]

“stifling legitimate political dissent”

TYo the Islamofacists this is what terrorism equates too. And the West still refuses to listen.......

[MizSterious]

Well, we also knew that the "moderates" were just the financial support groups for the "extremists." In philosophy, they're one and the same.

[MizSterious]

Some of us are. Getting the attention of those in power is another matter, however.

[rllngrk33]

But he added: “Our views are very similar to those in the Muslim community. We want an end to Western interference in Muslim countries.”

Yeah, well we want an end to Muslim interference in Western countries.

[Republic]

WELL IF THIS JERK WANTS TO END INTERFERENCE OF WESTERNERS INTO THE MUSLIM WORLD......HE HAD BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO NOT WANT INTERFERENCE, HERE IN THE WESTERN WORLD, OF MUSLIM INFLUENCE.

Muslims DISRESPECT WOMEN.

[MizSterious]

"... let's move our operations to the United States, where groups likes the ACLU will fight for our cause and enable us to subvert democratic societies to Islamic laws."

Don't leave out the Hollywierd community and the DemocRATS. We fight terror on two fronts--in the Middle East, and against misguided traitorous citizens within our own borders.

[Republic]

But he added: “Our views are very similar to those in the Muslim community. We want an end to Western interference in Muslim countries.”

Then KEEP your POLITICAL VIEWS to YOURSELF when you are choosing to LIVE in a western culture.

Do UNTO your neighbor as you so want your NEIGHBORS to do unto you!

[Eric in the Ozarks]

They hate the West. Why are they here ?

[moehoward]

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[MNJohnnie]

British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s pledge to ban militant Islamic groups will be seen by Muslims as “stifling legitimate political dissent”, a member of Hizb ut-Tahrir said today


Maybe it is just me, but I do not think urging fellow Muslims to detonate bombs in Subway tunnels is "legitimate political dissent".

[wingsof liberty]

C'mon Arpege, your not reading enough into his response. As far as hes concerned, the U.K. IS a Muslim country and its only a matter of time before all them darn infidels are expeled. Surrender time - NOT!

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

"[T]here is nothing precluding a Muslim from a being a decent citizen in this country."

KORAN [3.28] Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "No, by Him Who splits the grain of corn and creates the soul. I don't think we have such knowledge, but we have the ability of understanding which Allah may endow a person with, so that he may understand the Qur'an, and we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "(The regulations of) blood-money, the freeing of captives, ******** and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel." *********

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

© Religion of Peace

KORAN: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

[MizSterious]

Thanks. I've often said that people who insist this is a "religion of peace" hasn't bothered to read the Koran. I did, and found it very "enlightening."

[SaintDismas]

The Muslims don't seem to have a problem with the abnormal behavior and mutilation, now do they? >>>>>

Oh no they don't, especially the mutilation part which is most prevalent in Africa. Just google "FGM" and that will open to the reader all manner of horrors with this despicable practice. Women have their clitoris cut away, their labia majora is then sown together and they end up with a tiny little hole to pee through. These women then have their wedding night's pleasure (for who?) begin with the husband's knife to open up their vagina to allow for intercourse. Then, they are sowed back up. Almost all of their first babies die. I am not making this crap up. These people are barbarians. I praise Our Lord everyday of my life that I am an American, where women are loved and protected from this evil.

[PokeyJoe]

"We want an end to Western Muslim interference in MuslimWestern countries.”

Take their own words, switch terms, and you have an example of Islamofacist hypocrisy.

[Republic]

Would someone PLEASE explain to me why a Muslim living in a democratic society and PRACTICING POLITICAL DISSENT would SO OBJECT to that freedom being expressed in his nation of origin?

What is WITH these Muslims? They enjoy the fruits of hard won freedom in democratic societys and would DENY THE SAME to their brethren living in their countries of origin?

huh?

We and I am sure BRITAIN allow the Koran to be carried, sold and allow Muslims to build their Mosques and practice their faith and YET they DO NOT ALLOW the same in ME Muslim countries? Try reading your Bible on a park bench in Saudi Arabia! Or Syria! Or Iran!

These jerks have NO BUSINESS WARNING Tony Blair about protecting his country. Warning?

They should be on their knees THANKING the Brits for letting them build lives in England. If things were so great in their nations of origin...they would be there, not in Britain where they can express their political beliefs, and we all know it.

[HawaiianGecko]

 

 

	Blair stated at a press conference: “Coming to Britain is not a right and even when people have come here, staying here carries with it a duty,” he said. “That duty is to share and support the values that sustain the British way of life. Those that break that duty and try to incite or engage in violence against our country or our people have no place here.” Now, if we can just convince our politicians to get off of this damnable multiculturalism kick they've been on for years.

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Blair stated at a press conference:

“Coming to Britain is not a right and even when people have come here, staying here carries with it a duty,” he said. “That duty is to share and support the values that sustain the British way of life. Those that break that duty and try to incite or engage in violence against our country or our people have no place here.”

Now, if we can just convince our politicians to get off of this damnable multiculturalism kick they've been on for years.