Posted on 08/04/2005 8:06:43 AM PDT by Tomax
Intelligent Design Takes Center Stage
In the past, schools were urged to teach creationism or 'teach the controversy.' Now, intelligent design is the new war cry.
By Larry Witham
The debate over "intelligent design," a topic on the borderland between science and theology, has climbed its way to two new pinnacles lately: the White House and the Vatican.
Larry Witham is a Maryland writer who has published three books on science and religion, including 'Where Darwin Meets the Bible' and the forthcoming 'The Measure of God' (HarperSanFrancisco).
(Excerpt) Read more at beliefnet.com ...
I'll repeat what transpired in out local discussion.
"You're the MORON! The important thing is that evolution is science, creationism, or ID is superstition. When was the last time you heard of teaching Astrology in a science class."
So we might as well teach astrology.
P.S. Nice site.
Thanks.
Did that seem overly subtle to you?
Dan
God Bless, and I added your blog site to my links of places to go - one more source of inspiration and to show me other areas that might benefit from my prayers...
No, they are not, sorry sorry. Now, belief in Genesis and belief in Evolotion are indeed mutually exclusive.
I think we should teach the theory that Santa Claus is actually responsible for leaving all these brightly colored parcels in people's living rooms on the monrning on December 25. Prove he doesn't!
"primitive goat herders"
Actually, we're evolving away from intelligence. Ancient history shows that they were much more intelligent than today's secularist. I know they didn't have computers, cars, telephones, or even electricity, however, when those inventions came along, so did pollution. The "primitive goat herders" weren't exploiting the earth's resources.
Exactly!
"What is meant by death? Physical or spiritual?"
The spirit never dies but, in hell, it might as well be dead.
From what fragmentary portions I have gleaned in reading up on Jewish religious history, Genesis is has more to it than a strict and literal interpretation. Theres much esotericism involved.
Both.
Although the only death that occurred immediately thte same day as God promised for Adam and Eve was spiritual.
However, until Adam, people did not physically die.
The sin of those who resulted in the corruption of the entire world and both physical and spiritual death.
I had never thought about it before, but it is a really excellent argument that since death did not occur until Adam and Eve, the current evolutionary view of species dying out and being replaced by evolved ones until gradually a human developed could not be the case. Because none of the species that preceded our branch of the evolutionary tree would have died out, which they did.
I think you meant to say that evolution was a fact, but it is not, it is a widely accepted theory. Some believe the facts support that theory, but I believe otherwise on the basis of two things:
1) The more we study anatomy and molecular biology, we find the mechanisms to be more complex and not less. We find heavy redundancy and intricate mechanisms that cannot be explained by chance.
2) Theologically speaking (and this is a thread from that viewpoint), God created everything "Good". There was only one thing that was not "Good", and that was that Adam did not have his mate. The "Good" in this sense is perfect. And also the sense in which God is "Good" (as Jesus said "there is no one good, but God", in response to the rich young ruler). Thus the creation before Adam fell was perfect with no errors, no sin and no death.
Theologically, the statement that death entered the human race, is correct. So theologically, the idea that death came before Adam is not supported. 3) Evolutionarily speaking, one believes in the "survival of the fittest" and evolutionists have stated that this justifies doing anything, including rape and murder to propagate the species.
Thus, Scientifically, Theologically and Morally, I have reasons to suspect the Theory of evolution and I suspect, as time goes on, the complexity found in the creation will obsolete that theory simply on the basis of a superceding one.
In other words, if the Scripture is correct that death only entered the world with the Fall, then evolution has to be incorrect.
Still perpetrating this strawman fallacy, I see, even though it has been refuted by demonstrating that the judeo-Christian creation story is unique in its lack of sensationalist treatment of nature as part of the creation story.
I think you meant to address that to Allen In So Cal , but I enjoyed reading it anyway!
Dan
I've always found it interesting to hear proponents of evolution making dogmatic statements. That's the realm of religion, not science.
Just curious - is it your belief that there were people before Adam?
When this happens, one generally finds an emotional investment underneath. Becoming emotionally involved means one will have to attack to protect that which one has as an emotional investment. Thus when an evolutionist brings up "Monkey Trials" (Referring to the Scopes Trial) instead of the logic and facts behind their argument, it is an attempt to convince by emotions.
This can hardly be called "science"
no....obviously Adam there were no people before Adam.
I mean until Adam fell, death did not enter the human race.
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