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14 US Marines killed in Iraq
MSNBC/Imus in the Morning

Posted on 08/03/2005 4:04:27 AM PDT by leadpenny

Roadside bomb in western Iraq.


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To: Justanobody

Great post. Does he speak for the majority of the soldiers? It seems the raging debate (minus the Left, since their hypocrisy is useless)) is whether we continue on as we have been in order to minimize civilian casualties and foster democracy. Some are saying just take out the enemy by whatever means possible in order to minimize our own casualties. I would think the one's fighting there would know best, since it is their lives on the line.


401 posted on 08/03/2005 12:18:01 PM PDT by TheeOhioInfidel
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To: liberty2004

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks he's wrong.


402 posted on 08/03/2005 12:22:04 PM PDT by southernindymom
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To: leadpenny
Obviously, some of the Iraqi Army are leaking plans to Al-Quiada.
The terrorists have infiltrated the IA. And our troops are no longer on the offensive.

Bring our troops home.....or fight smart and win.

403 posted on 08/03/2005 12:41:08 PM PDT by mickie
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To: OhioInfidel; Jeff Head
Does he speak for the majority of the soldiers?

I do not believe we will ever know what the "majority" of our soldier's really think. I only know what those I personally have read or spoken to feel about the mission.

With tears in my eyes and a heart swollen with pride, I listened to one of our finest curse himself over an unintentional, self-inflicted wound that sent him state side. He had VOLUNTEERED for a second tour in Iraq and was furious with himself that he had been so careless. He firmly believes in the mission and the Iraqi people.

I will support our troops AND their mission. The only way this war will turn into Viet Nam, is if "we the people" allow it. I for one, will not allow it to happen AGAIN.

404 posted on 08/03/2005 12:42:03 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem!)
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To: southernindymom
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks he's wrong.

Oh, you're not!!

405 posted on 08/03/2005 12:43:14 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem!)
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To: Lori675
At the end of the day, the only ally we have their are the Kurds.

Yes, the Kurds are our ally. However, this will piss of our NATO ally, Turkey. When we withdraw from Iraq, this would allow the Turks to gobble up Kurdistan. I'm not sure if that's in our best interests.

406 posted on 08/03/2005 12:47:44 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Justanobody

I appreciate your commitment to 'not letting it happen again'.

Having spent 24 months in the mideast supporting OIF/OEF I think that I have an idea what the troops think or did think as of this spring.

Most hate being away from home for so long and in a place where deprivation is a way of life. But KBR has done a fine job bringing them creature comforts: Gyms and MWR facilities; good meals; housing, showers and latrine facilities and other miscellaneous services. Life there now isn't as rough as it was during DS 1 or during the first phases of this conflict.

The troops like what they've done and what they're doing. They have helped the Iraqis shuck off the bondage of Saddam's tyranny and have birthed a new government; the troops have helps repair or install infrastructure; the troops have verified the horrendous and sadistic feats of brutality that saddam perpetrated on them; and the troops have battled outside forces intent on denying the Iraqis their chance at freedom.

What hurts the troops' morale is any impression that American civilians are weak and won't stick it out. They aren't begging to come home too soon, they're just afraid that the citizens adn government will lose courage and turn them into losers like they did to Viet Nam vets in the 70's.

No, we cannot let that happen again.


407 posted on 08/03/2005 1:14:15 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Wished I had bought stock in HESCO.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Thank you so much for your support of our awesome military!Glade you are home safe.

Thank you for your personal account of the sentiments of our troops. I have spoken to few compared to you. I also have friends from there and you articulated issues that must be overcome after decades of tyranny.

What hurts the troops' morale is any impression that American civilians are weak and won't stick it out.

This is what matters most!

408 posted on 08/03/2005 1:29:54 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem!)
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To: OhioInfidel
Until we realize that we are at war with the Baathist regime in Syria and the Mullahs in Iran and take the appropriate actions to cause regime changes in those terrorist states we will not be able to win in Iran no matter how much we were to crank up the violence. Sadly we haven't shown the courage to do what needs to be done in those countries. Unless we do we will not win in Iraq. The only good reason I saw when we got into Iraq was to set us up strategically to surround Iran and to have direct access into Syria and then be able to use our position to force changes either by diplomacy or by force.

Sadly diplomacy won't work because our supposed allies, with a couple of exceptions, and our press and left wing have made it extremely difficult to stabilize Iraq to the point where we can use our forces to put enough pressure on Syria and Iran to change their ways. Quite honestly the best I can see coming out of this at this point is an Islamic state that's friendly to the US along the lines of Saudi Arabia which makes me pretty ill. The only way I see this changing is another 9/11 type of attack and I don't see that happening.

There's a reason the terrorists haven't attacked here again and it's not because they couldn't, it's because they see us destroying ourselves.
409 posted on 08/03/2005 1:40:47 PM PDT by whershey
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To: TomasUSMC
Maybe if we had totally leveled Tehran or Damascus after the USS Cole bombing that would have been a deterrent, if not we could have continued that process until it was a deterrent or the threat was eliminated.

A number of the so-called "neo-conservatives" actually made public statements in the late 1990s and October of 2000 in which they called upon the Clinton administration to respond forcefully to the embassy bombings and attack on the Cole -- by toppling Saddam Hussein. There was no shred of evidence of any Iraqi involvement in any of these attacks, but the obsession of these neo-cons with a plan of "regime change" in Iraq was so utterly pathological that they didn't have a clue about how serious a threat radical Islam posed to the U.S.

It should come as no surprise that nothing dramatic occurred in the first eight months of 2001 . . . many of these morons ended up working in the Bush administration.

410 posted on 08/03/2005 1:48:30 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: liberty2004
I could write at length about people with such mindsets . . .

Why don't you go right ahead and do that. Then go through a random search of my posts here on FreeRepublic in the last four years and tell me how "foolish" you think I am.

411 posted on 08/03/2005 1:50:49 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Wasn't gonna say it, but when the Army controlled Al Anbar, we owned the roads. Not saying that there wasn't ambushes or that it wasn't dangerous, but we could travel.

B@LLS!! You shouldn't have said it. The enemy adapts, and we adapt. Take your Army bias, shove it, and shut the F up discussing tactics on a public board.

412 posted on 08/03/2005 2:00:25 PM PDT by surfatsixty (Proud Father of a USMC Grunt.)
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To: leadpenny

After weeks and weeks of attacking the Iraqi military .. suddenly they turn on our guys .. maybe because more and more people are saying WE COULD BE LEAVING BY 2007 - and the terrorists want to extract their pound of flesh before we leave ..??

So much for setting a timetable!


413 posted on 08/03/2005 2:13:36 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Alberta's Child

You're totally screw up.

If you use the word "neo-cons" you are a RAT!
If you blame Bush for everything, you are a RAT!


414 posted on 08/03/2005 2:32:38 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: woogmonster

So many people on Free Republic want to call Islam our enemy. The real enemy is the liberal media and they are deserving of the same treatment that we dole out to the insurgents.


415 posted on 08/03/2005 2:47:43 PM PDT by Axhandle
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To: Lori675

The problem with the three state solution is a geopolitical one. Turkey, one of the "moderate" muslim states would object. They have their own kurdish minority "problem" and would not want to have that minority get the notion of breaking off and joining an independent kurdish state.


416 posted on 08/03/2005 2:56:38 PM PDT by NYorkerInHouston
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To: Justanobody
The link I provided in post #382 is from a soldier that is in Iraq for the third time as a VOLUNTEER. It is an excellent letter he wrote and shared

My local paper also did a story recently on someone who was in Iraq for a second (or third) tour of duty.

417 posted on 08/03/2005 2:59:47 PM PDT by to_zion
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To: wingman1

nice post. my service was earlier. we never forget the lessons. thanks for your service.


418 posted on 08/03/2005 3:04:50 PM PDT by q_an_a
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To: popdonnelly

I believe that our soldiers would rather die with a rifle in their hand than in their beds or in the mess hall. But quite frankly, to die in a thin skinned duck vehicle driving down a road is just about as bad.


419 posted on 08/03/2005 3:07:56 PM PDT by johnb838 (For God, For Country, For Glory, For ROME!)
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To: to_zion
My local paper also did a story ...

Wow - you must live in a decent place. It appears to be an exception, rather than a rule, to print anything positive.

420 posted on 08/03/2005 3:10:22 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem!)
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