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Muslims who hate us can leave us, British Conservatives say
Scotsman.com ^ | Wed 3 Aug 2005 | GERRI PEEV

Posted on 08/02/2005 9:12:59 PM PDT by F14 Pilot

MUSLIMS who resent the British way of life should leave the UK, regardless of whether they are citizens or not, a senior Conservative said last night in comments that have heightened already tense community relations.

Gerald Howarth, the shadow defence minister, last night told The Scotsman that extremist Muslims who see the Iraq war as a conflict against Islam should be considered as treacherous as Soviet sympathisers during the Cold War. His remarkable claim shatters the tri-party consensus which Michael Howard, the Tory leader, sought to make with Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, and the Liberal Democrats.

Mr Howarth said yesterday that he is incensed by suggestions from Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, that Britain is "part of the problem" in Iraq - and said that the problem in the UK lies in fanatical Muslims living within our shores.

He is the first mainstream UK politician to suggest that extremist British Muslims should leave for Islamic societies. The government is looking at deporting foreign-born nationals and imprisoning British Muslims who incite or glorify terrorism.

"If they don't like our way of life, there is a simple remedy: go to another country, get out," Mr Howarth said. Asked what if these people were born in Britain, he replied: "Tough. If you don't give allegiance to this country, then leave."

He added: "There are plenty of other countries whose way of life would appear to be more conducive to what they aspire to. They would be happy and we would be happy."

This was the overwhelming view of people he spoke to, the Tory MP for Aldershot added.

Mr Howarth compared those who despised British values to the traitors who spied for Russia. The shadow defence minister also criticised his colleague, Dominic Grieve, the shadow attorney general, who suggested the suicide bombings were "explicable" by the anger many British Muslims felt over the war and the state of Islam.

Mr Howarth stressed that the majority of Muslims did adhere to British values and described how the Union Flag had been flown at a meeting he had with Muslims over the weekend. However, his remarks were condemned as "arrogant" and "naive" by the Muslim Association of Britain.

Its spokesman, Anas Altikriti, compared the Tory defence spokesman to those who carried out the attacks on London, saying: "They bombed in order to eliminate people, while he is proposing to eliminate people by deporting them."

He also questioned to which country Mr Howarth proposed Muslims should go, as there were no Muslim countries as such, just Muslim people.

Mr Howarth was criticised by Sir Menzies Campbell, the Lib Dem deputy leader, who warned the outburst risked inflaming religious and ethnic tensions.

However, Mr Howarth's views were backed by the leading Muslim politician Mohammed Sarwar, a Glasgow MP who chairs Muslim Friends of Labour. "When it comes to extremists, for example Omar Bakri and Abu Hamza and what they are advocating, then I agree with what Mr Howarth said. There is absolutely no room for people like them in a civilised, democratic society like ours," Mr Sarwar said.

Crimes motivated by religious hatred have rocketed by nearly 600 per cent in London since the July 7 bombings. They include verbal and physical attacks and criminal damage.

Meanwhile in Edinburgh, police are investigating after two Asians were subjected to a racist attack by a gang of 10 men who made comments about the London bombings.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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1 posted on 08/02/2005 9:13:01 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
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"He also questioned to which country Mr Howarth proposed Muslims should go, as there were no Muslim countries as such, just Muslim people."

I know they are thick as a brick but surely they have some memory of where they came from?


2 posted on 08/02/2005 9:17:53 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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He also questioned to which country Mr Howarth proposed Muslims should go, as there were no Muslim countries as such, just Muslim people.

Is this twit saying that Pakistan is not governed by Sharia law?

3 posted on 08/02/2005 9:18:25 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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He also questioned to which country Mr Howarth proposed Muslims should go, as there were no Muslim countries as such, just Muslim people....I've gotta join my FReeper colleagues on this one -- same stupid sentence they reacted to. My jaw is on the frickin floor. I could name you a good 20 muslim countries (as such); somebody needs to wake up. Fortunately, somebody else HAS!
4 posted on 08/02/2005 9:25:49 PM PDT by Migraine
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To: Migraine

> as there were no Muslim countries as such, just Muslim people.

This statement is for the consumption of ignorant Westerners who assume that every nation has freedom of religion and some kind of (for lack of a better term) "separation of church and state"


5 posted on 08/02/2005 9:29:35 PM PDT by old-ager
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Its spokesman, Anas Altikriti, compared the Tory defence spokesman to those who carried out the attacks on London, saying: "They bombed in order to eliminate people, while he is proposing to eliminate people by deporting them."

No, they bombed to kill people, he's proposing deportation to save people.

6 posted on 08/02/2005 9:30:07 PM PDT by Squeako (ACLU: "Only Christians, Boy Scouts and War Memorials are too vile to defend.")
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To: F14 Pilot

bttt


7 posted on 08/02/2005 9:30:20 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Migraine; F14 Pilot
Gerald Howarth, the shadow defence minister, last night told The Scotsman that extremist Muslims who see the Iraq war as a conflict against Islam should be considered as treacherous as Soviet sympathisers during the Cold War. His remarkable claim shatters the tri-party consensus,,,,

The only thing remarkable about that claim is that it is considered remarkable by MSM and MSP (man stream politicos)

8 posted on 08/02/2005 9:32:54 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: F14 Pilot

Isn't it refreshing that someone in the UK has the courage to say this. And it cost them only 52 lives before they would utter this sentiment. We have lost more than 3000 lives and we still don't have the guts to state the obvious. We Americans complain about British multiculturalism and liberalism but they are more forthright on the subject and are faster learners than we are.


9 posted on 08/02/2005 9:32:57 PM PDT by Capriole (I don't have any problems that can't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition.)
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Jordan has Sharia family law courts that rule on behalf of Muslims, and all there have identity cards, stating the religion. One can not leave Islam, it is the law.

So let the Muslims to to which ever country uses Sharia law the most. That has to be good enough. There is good reason why predominately Muslim countries do not have Sharia law. It is very, very cruel and unfair and evil.


10 posted on 08/02/2005 9:40:18 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: F14 Pilot
He also questioned to which country Mr Howarth proposed Muslims should go, as there were no Muslim countries as such, just Muslim people.

Oh really? Just how would this guy describe Saudi Arabia or Iran?

Weirdness on parade...

11 posted on 08/02/2005 9:42:22 PM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws.... SMILE!!!)
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I was wondering when somebody in Britain was going to say enough is enough, and tell the Muslims not to let the door hit them in the fanny.


12 posted on 08/02/2005 9:44:41 PM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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Its spokesman, Anas Altikriti, compared the Tory defence spokesman to those who carried out the attacks on London, saying: "They bombed in order to eliminate people, while he is proposing to eliminate people by deporting them."

Is it just me, or is there a difference betweeen murder of the innocent and deportation of the guilty?


13 posted on 08/02/2005 9:45:07 PM PDT by hsalaw
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Seems the terrorists got on the "Fightin' Side" of Gerald Howarth.
14 posted on 08/02/2005 9:51:56 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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However, his remarks were condemned as "arrogant" and "naive" by the Muslim Association of Britain(Its spokesman, Anas Altikriti).
This maggot wants to talk arrogance? He hasn't figured out he's the guest,, and by the looks of it, quite temporary. Guests don't "take over" his host's home.

He also questioned to which country Mr Howarth proposed Muslims should go, as there were no Muslim countries as such, just Muslim people.
A muslim who hasn't grasped the concept of dar al Islam? How odd...

With the help of Moroccan and Saudi initiatives, the first Islamic Summit (conference for the kings, presidents and Amirs of Islamic countries) was held in Rabat, Morocco on September 25, 1969.
Wow.
Will the official web site of Kuwait be surprised!

No Islamic countries, camel butt?

15 posted on 08/02/2005 9:56:19 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Capriole

I agree with the idea!

Those who can't live in a secular, liberal and democratic society MUST leave it quick!


16 posted on 08/02/2005 10:02:17 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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The journalist on the Swedish Radio News is shocked, shocked and stunned (stuned?): the London police have stated that they are using ethnic profiling when looking for terrorists.

No need to waste time questioning elderly white women the commissioner of police said.

Looks like sanity is slowly returning to the British Isles.
17 posted on 08/02/2005 10:09:17 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: F14 Pilot

Ayaan Hersi Ali, Somalian Born Dutch MP asks EU countries to stop importing those Muslims who can't live in a liberal society.

She also helped Theo Van Gogh produce the famous movie "Submission"

18 posted on 08/02/2005 10:11:55 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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Now, if our own politicians could just stand up and say the same.


19 posted on 08/02/2005 10:22:42 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Squeako

Yep, bombing and deporting - no moral difference at all!


20 posted on 08/02/2005 10:25:11 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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