Churches attack 'conceal carry' law(libs gone wild for the 'Wild,Wild West' law in MN)

Pioneer Press ^ | 8-2-05 | BILL GARDNER

[Rakkasan1]

New lawsuit calls re-enacted handgun law unconstitutional The newly re-enacted conceal-and-carry handgun law is under legal attack by churches that say the Minnesota law is an unconstitutional interference with religious freedom.

The lawsuit filed Monday in Hennepin County District Court was an expected challenge to the re-enacted law, which the state Legislature passed in May to correct flaws in the 2003 law. The earlier law had been declared unconstitutional because it was tacked on to a bill on ice-fishing houses.

"Religious institutions should have the right to control their own property and to be able to worship without firearms,'' said David Lillehaug, attorney for Edina Community Lutheran Church, which is joined by Unity Church Unitarian of St. Paul in challenging the re-enacted law.

[Rakkasan1]

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I guess all restaraunts should not have to post signs banning smoking due to gubmint mandate- it might make the patrons feel "unwelcomed".Private property, right? oh nevermind, smokers and gun owners have no rights,I forgot.If I want to take a person to court for trespassing, I have to 1) either have a sign posted ,or 2) tell them to leave.Do the churches have extra, special rights?

[kharaku]

I say we give em the right to force guns to be kept at the door, as long as churches can bar gays from walkin in the door with their guns.

[andyk]

"Religious institutions should have the right to control their own property and to be able to worship without firearms,'' said David Lillehaug, attorney for Edina Community Lutheran Church

You do have the right to worship without firearms. Put up a sign, you moron. Of course, I wouldn't want to go to a church that advertises itself as a gun-free zone.

[Hat-Trick]

Hopefully some Texas Freeper will be able to set the record straight on this. I thought that I remembered hearing that Texas had churches as off-limits for CCW during the first year or two of it's CCW law, but after high numbers of collection-plate robberies, later changed the CCW law to allow CCW in churches. Anyone?

[from occupied ga]

"Religious institutions should have the right to control their own property and to be able to worship without firearms,'' said David Lillehaug

Typical religious hypocrisy. They'd be the first to scream in outrage if the government passed laws making illegal to be a Lutheran or a Unitarian, but although they want ot wallow in religious freedom, they don't want anyone else to exercise rights in other areas.

[Rakkasan1]

oh yeah.But but,but it'll be the Wild West. I'm your Huckelberry.

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

Here's the judge that will hearing this one:

http://www.humanrights.state.mn.us/rsonline5/lange.html

We're screwed.

[Mylo]

He who does not have a gun should sell his jackett and buy one.

Mylo

He who does not have a sword should sell his cloak and buy one.

Jesus

[PAR35]

"ECLC is a Reconciling in Christ congregation of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. It is a community where all are welcome in every aspect of congregational life."

"What does it mean that ECLC is a "Reconciling in Christ" congregation?
"Reconciling in Christ is our congregation’s declaration that we welcome gay, lesbian and transgender people into leadership and membership at ECLC."

Pastor Pam Fickenscher

"• advocating for domestic abuse victims in the 1980s and against expanded gun permit legislation in the early 21st century

"• standing with native Americans at Wounded Knee in the 1970s and with women seeking ordination in the late 1960s "

[Fred Hayek]

Unity Church Unitarian in St. Paul. I worked for a manager who is a member of that church. Sociopathic backstabbing liberal.

More Twin Cities ninnies that have an obsession about running other peoples lives.

[ZOOKER]

"What does it mean that ECLC is a "Reconciling in Christ" congregation?

"Reconciling in Christ is our congregation’s declaration that we welcome gay, lesbian and transgender people into leadership and membership at ECLC."

Oh, now I understand. There was too much confusion at the front door.

EVERYONE was packin'...

[Eric in the Ozarks]

I went to a funeral at a Unitarian church a few years ago. I was never sure who died, who the minister was, who was bereaved or when the service was over.

[Disambiguator]

The "human rights" yahoos are always opposed to the most fundamental right of self-defense.

[Paleo Conservative]

Did they sing "We Shall Overcome" at the funeral?

[untrained skeptic]

"The churches contend that worshippers should be welcomed in a more hospitable manner rather than a demand that they leave their guns elsewhere."

Then don't make that demand. You don't have some sort of right to make the government make that demand for all churches, just because you don't want to have to tell your congregation that you don't trust them yourselves or don't want to post a sign that demonstrates your views.

This isn't an attempt to keep guns out of their church, the law gives them the ability to do that insofar as a law is capable of doing so. This is about the ability to restrict guns from all churches, even ones where the church's leadership believes they are necessary for their congregations protection.

This is about controlling other people. Even worse, it's about controlling law abiding people, because laws have no real effect on stopping criminals from carrying guns.

[BenLurkin]

Anyone who wants to sit defenseless in their church hasn't been following societal changes at home or social trends abroad very closely.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

No one even hummed.

[doubleaught]

I thought firearms were one of the reasons that churches were able have services without the government's permission!

[Rakkasan1]

Pastor Pam Fickenscher:

"• advocating for domestic abuse victims in the 1980s and against expanded gun permit legislation in the early 21st century

[MudSlide]

It's a wonder more of those preachers aren't gunned down during some of those sermons.

You could refer to them as the Holey Enlightened