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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 12
Various News Outlets | 8/2/05

Posted on 08/02/2005 7:55:42 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; bethandjug; carloscharlies; daviejoneslocker; deepak; disappear; drugcartel; everyoneschild; fbi; generalissimofranco; getalife; greta; investigation; joran; jug; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessedkooks; yawn
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To: stlnative; TexKat


August 6, 2005 Hair Found Attached To Duct Tape With Seaweed (VIDEO) By Ian on August 6, 2005 at 11:37 pm

Another piece of hair on duct tape has been found in Aruba. An American tourist was walking the Aruban coastline when he found a piece of duct tape with seaweed on it. A closer look showed strands of hair were also on the duct tape. The hair sample is now being analyzed.

Download and view video here.

http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/08/06/hair/
2,221 posted on 08/07/2005 5:38:32 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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To: IIntense
The Twitty and Holloways just may be up against a whole justice system

Everyone seems to be working against the outsiders. This makes one think that the authorities ALREADY found Natalie and made the decision to never let anyone know what happened to her.

2,222 posted on 08/07/2005 5:50:48 AM PDT by alrea
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To: hummingbird

Thank you, and the same to you and your's.

Livin On Prayer,
NSNR


2,223 posted on 08/07/2005 6:04:49 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: presently no screen name

Roger That. NSNR


2,224 posted on 08/07/2005 6:07:21 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: TAquinas

T, I second that motion. NSNR


2,225 posted on 08/07/2005 6:10:56 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: stlnative; TexKat
"Where is TexKat?"

I came here wondering that myself.

TK Are you alright?

2,226 posted on 08/07/2005 6:12:24 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (Junebugism: "There is definitely a lot to it that will be understood down the road as it unfolds")
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To: RGVTx
One tabloid rumor is that Natalee was delivered to pron film makers.

I have not been able to find out the meaning of that gang hand sign Joran and his buddies made - a sideways V. I have seen the MS13 gang members also make this sign. Does anyone know what it stands for?

2,227 posted on 08/07/2005 6:19:04 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: IIntense

II,
What we have here is a crime cartel that reaches to the highest levels. Money is no object, when it comes to protecting their illegal pecuniary interest.

Secondly, we have a overt/covert anti-American campaign in play. If the roles were reversed and it had occurred in America the politicans/many others would be grovelling at the feet of the Arubans. Ie; Jumping through their asses to solve this case.

I can assure you that in regards to the VDS family. If it were their(SOB) instead of Natalee missing/murdered. The US would be providing lodging, food and transportation for free. Rest assured, they would be getting their asses kissed royally by the US politico/LE authorities.

All available resources would be put on this case I an attempt to solve it like, yesterday.

We as Americans need to see this sham of justice as a threat to not just the Holloway's, but to all American families.

I would hope there would be more homogenity/loyalty as Americans. We should not travel or put one cent into Aruba's economy based on their actions and corrupt system.

I urge all Americans, to cancel your tickets and vacations to Aruba. Why should we reward Aruba's anti-Americanism and criminal behavior against one of (Our's)

Let's keep our money in America and stop greasing the palms of those who place little, if no value on our citizens lives. Not a rant, the truth.

Every Dog Has It's Day,
NSNR






2,228 posted on 08/07/2005 6:40:42 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

And I would add stop allowing our American teens to enter the "den of aniquity" the pix from that place of those teen girls, the drugs running rampant, the anything goes attitude, drinking to excess. Call me a prude but enough's enough!

Maybe God is trying to show parents of American teens stop look and listen, does such behaviour happen on spring break in Florida? In Mexico?

Wake up folks! And as NSNR said, lets show these countries
"don't mess with Americans"!!
(In Texas we have this "don't mess with Texas"slogan.)

Just my prudish, humble opinion.


2,229 posted on 08/07/2005 6:50:22 AM PDT by stopem
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To: maggief

I found this on SM, we had talked about Posner and who he was, I was interested in the Paulus suggestion early in the post.


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Joined: 31 Jul 2005


PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:39 am Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
KerinTX wrote:
altruist wrote:
I see Michael Possner noted also to be on parole. Is this the person who's paperwork was improperly filled out by a Justice Mistry official that it has been inferred could have possibly been PVDS? Speculation on my part.


I am not sure of that one, Altruist...but I believe he is the casino manager at the HI.


From Card Player Magazine:

"After resting up from my last stop on the tournament trail at Hollywood Park Casino, I flew to almost indescribably beautiful Aruba. The first annual Caribbean Poker Classic was held at the Excelsior Casino, located at the Holiday Inn. Casino owner Mike Posner, an American who still lives in Chicago"


2,230 posted on 08/07/2005 6:50:49 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

What does Mike Posner have to do with the Holloway case? I must have missed what his connection is. I heard the name mentioned once or twice just curious what he has to do with it?


2,231 posted on 08/07/2005 6:57:50 AM PDT by stopem
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To: No Surrender No Retreat; TexKat

"Let's keep our money in America and stop greasing the palms of those who place little, if no value on our citizens lives. Not a rant, the truth."

I've been harping the same point, NSNR, but I have not limited to just Aruba.

There are many beautiful place within the continental USA, Hawaii, Alaska, maybe Canada also. But the point you take is an excellent one.

So I want to echo what you've just said: Let us spend our money on America and for the benefit of the American citizens, rather than for un-American foreigners. It helps our economy; it's less risky as we travel on known soil; less legal, cultural and language barriers; better food, water and accomodations, imo.

TexKat: Hoping you're all right and come back to mind your sheep soon. I'll promise to comport myself, I think. :)


2,232 posted on 08/07/2005 7:22:36 AM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: anton

"The arrogance of the Arabians is a heritage of the Dutch..."

Did you mean the arrogance of the Arubians?


Where is Natalie?

Where is TexKat?


2,233 posted on 08/07/2005 7:30:18 AM PDT by Canedawg (Two ears, one mouth)
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To: stopem

It was in the post. He may or may not be the mob connected Posner from Chicago, SM thinks he is. He got on the island because of a "slip up" and some speculated Paulus was involved in the paperwork.

He is manager of Casino at HI. Supposedly Joran worked there as sort of a dealer and participated in tournaments. Supposedly Paulus has a "line of credit" there. And a dealer has gone to Holland, one who may have knowledge of the events of the nite Nat went missing.

Very tin foilish but who knows.


2,234 posted on 08/07/2005 7:33:58 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

Oh, thanks.

Just heard on TV:
JVDS got beaten up in jail.
Equesearch leaving Island tomorrow
Local search group will continue searching in landfill.


2,235 posted on 08/07/2005 7:37:01 AM PDT by stopem
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To: stlnative
Where is TexKat?

Don't know if this helps, but TexCat posted this on 8-4

To: stlnative

(tell me how you understand it)

Actually I was busy doing other things, preparing to go out of town stlnative. I did not give the interview my full attention. I am going to watch the repeat and hope that is the part that will be posted on Greta's transcript tomorrow.

1,526 posted on 08/04/2005 10:13:23 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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2,236 posted on 08/07/2005 7:38:25 AM PDT by imaketypos
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To: cajungirl
"Very tin foilish but who knows."

It's only "tin foilish" if you don't know who controls all the casinos and the banks on Aruba. I guess "he got on the island because of a 'slip up' " by the Aruban gov't in his paperwork. What a surprise that they "slipped up" in Curacao too, and let him buy a casino there also. Such sloppy paperwork they do in the Dutch tropics! It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that Aruba has been turned into a "washing machine" for the International Mafia (the US mob is only one small player.)

2,237 posted on 08/07/2005 7:54:44 AM PDT by penowa
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To: cajungirl; stlnative; TexKat

SM:

Native Lingo posts early this am 8/7/05:
2:49 am
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And yes....he has/had emotional problems......he was/ is a patient of a local pediatric/Juvenile Psychiatrist..... (Fact)

2:59 a.m.
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When I asked the "source" if she was talking about the dog thing, or bullying friends, she told me those were the least of his problems....

3:08 am
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not that {murder}....I think either something of a sexual nature, or maybe he was already diagnosed as a sociopath....who knows...

(snip)

3:10 am
(poster asks how reliable is source:)
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Very reliable....VERY!

3:18 am
(poster asks about Anita re. Joran:)
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She KNOWS ALL about his problems....But yes...she's in MAJOR denial....
Although she too received counseling........
She's playing the "ostrich" thing...."what I don't want to see can't hurt me"...

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=978&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=460
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2,238 posted on 08/07/2005 8:07:23 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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To: alice_in_bubbaland
BTW was the landfill witness able to ID PVDS as the person watching and asking questions???

Alice, I heard that landfill witness say the father was there. I didn't hear him say the name, but he said "the father".

2,239 posted on 08/07/2005 8:08:18 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: stopem
Just heard on TV:

JVDS got beaten up in jail.

Oh my what a birthday present..I'm sure ALE will investigate and arrest those responsible...LOL..I wonder if he likes being on the receiving end of predators? No 18 year old girls for him to push around in jail. What goes around comes around......maybe he will start to realize justice can come from many different places and sometimes people frustrated with the corrupt legal system resort to natural law....I wonder what mama and papa have to say about his treatment now?

2,240 posted on 08/07/2005 8:09:59 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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