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NYP: ROBERTS CRITICS' AGENDA OF HATE -- JFK won despite anti-Catholic bias.
New York Post ^ | August 2, 2005 | GEORGE J. MARLIN

Posted on 08/02/2005 5:33:44 AM PDT by OESY

For most of our nation's history, anti-Catholicism has been an acceptable prejudice.... The reaction to President Bush's nomination of John Roberts... suggests that not so much has changed....

Many political analysts have concluded that this intolerance began to subside after JFK's election. Catholics, they argue, have been assimilated into American society and are now accepted into middle- and upper-class enclaves, corporate board rooms and the public square. Yet, while many Catholics have advanced economically since 1960, a deep-rooted animus remains against Catholics in public life who practice their faith.

...Schumer ignored the Constitution's Article 6 ("no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States") in questioning the suitability of a Bush appeals-court nominee... William Pryor. Because Pryor adheres to the tenets of the Roman Catholic Church, Schumer complained that "his beliefs are so well known, so deeply held, that it's very hard — very hard to believe — they're not going to deeply influence the way he comes about saying, 'I will follow the law.'"

Schumer's judicial litmus test held up the Pryor nomination for two years. Are similar tactics of senatorial intolerance being used to railroad Roberts? His nomination was scarcely a week old before the sulfurous odor of religious prejudice began to waft through the air....

Prior to her high-court nomination, Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a forceful advocate for women's rights as a professor at Columbia and as a federal circuit judge in the District of Columbia. She had expressed in speech and in writing any number of "strongly held personal values" over many years — yet her Supreme Court confirmation hearing was a cake-walk. No senator even hinted that the strength of her personal philosophical or religious opinions might affect her duties as a judge....

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: anticatholicbigotry; bush; catholic; fdr; jfk; johnroberts; pryor; roberts; schumer; scotus; senatejudiciary; supremecourt
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To: fso301
Infant Baptism has absolutely nothing to do with anything, there is plenty of support and spirituality in the Catholic church. The Church requires that you check your emotions at the door, our faith is not about feelings its about truth as we know it. Bringing up infant Baptism is a slam, even if unintentional. You are correct however, living a liberal life style precludes being a good Catholic.
41 posted on 08/02/2005 7:29:51 AM PDT by defconw (ALLEN IN 08)
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To: defconw

You're welcome.

I am sure that opportunities will pick up.


42 posted on 08/02/2005 7:33:03 AM PDT by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: OESY

Funny that some of the media's favorite Senators are Catholic. Kennedy, Kerry...


43 posted on 08/02/2005 7:36:22 AM PDT by July20
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To: July20
Only because they are not good ones, when the media puts a priest on it is usually one who is dissenting. If you are Catholic you know the difference, if not, now you do.
44 posted on 08/02/2005 7:40:00 AM PDT by defconw (ALLEN IN 08)
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To: defconw
Bringing up infant Baptism is a slam, even if unintentional

I'm sorry if you feel that way. I certainly didn't mean it in any negative way other than to say that with infant baptism, the person becomes a member of the faith from infancy. I can't see where that wouldn't have anything but a lasting effect on a persons self identity. To me, it seems as basic as the place a person was born.

In my case, I was born in Scranton, Pennsylvania. I don't remember anything of Scranton as my family moved shortly after I was born but whenever Pennsylvania is mentioned, I take notice as that was my birth state. Whenever I hear Scranton mentioned, I take particular notice as that was my birthplace.

In a similar manner, I can't help but think infant baptism creates a similar identity in the mind of a person that remains with them the rest of their life.

45 posted on 08/02/2005 7:46:35 AM PDT by fso301
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To: okstate
As a Catholic I still encounter anti-Catholic bias fairly frequently.

True. I am Catholic (Irish) on my fathers side and Presbyterian (Scots)on my mothers. I tend toward the Catholic because that's the faith of my wife and we were married in the Catholic Church. Whenever asked in public what religion I am, I simply answer "Christian" and wait for the anti-Catholic remarks to begin. It is interesting that most of the remarks are from ignorance or propaganda, rather than any real knowledge of the Catholic Church.

For the record, I find as much hypocrisy in both churches. It's not the church that one belongs to, its human nature.

46 posted on 08/02/2005 7:48:18 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: fso301
We have other Sacraments that bolster the Faith as you mature. We have volumes of information, we have a Pope and a Magisterium. Baptism is not magic. It it not the only thing we have. People who fall away are looking for an easy way out. They think that if they bury their heads in the sand the truth will go away.
47 posted on 08/02/2005 7:50:32 AM PDT by defconw (ALLEN IN 08)
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To: defconw
We have other Sacraments that bolster the Faith as you mature. We have volumes of information, we have a Pope and a Magisterium. Baptism is not magic. It it not the only thing we have. People who fall away are looking for an easy way out. They think that if they bury their heads in the sand the truth will go away.

I agree with what you say but my point about infant baptism was that for the person baptized as an infant yet who fell prey to liberalism, they will retain their Catholic self identity.

For members of the news media, the Catholic church is large enough that statements made by Catholic leadership, especially the Pope is newsworthy. As media members compare statements made by the church with their own wayward lives, their Catholic self-identity will result in internal tension. Rather than them changing to be in-line with Church teaching, they want the church to change to be in-line with their own liberal belief system.

48 posted on 08/02/2005 8:04:37 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301
Yes, there are many who are Culturally Catholic so many in fact that a trend around where I live is to identify between Culturally Catholic and Faith Filled Catholics, there is a difference. Santorum is a Faith filled Catholic, Kennedy is culturally Catholic, but frankly it is the responsibility of the individual not the Church.
49 posted on 08/02/2005 8:08:27 AM PDT by defconw (ALLEN IN 08)
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To: defconw
Thanks for the discussion. Unfortunately, I need to get to the airport.
50 posted on 08/02/2005 8:12:29 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

Have a great flight!


51 posted on 08/02/2005 8:17:37 AM PDT by defconw (ALLEN IN 08)
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To: fso301

The parents have the infant Baptized into the Church and schooled in the Cathechism......then the children have First Communion and Penance at about age 7, our age of reason (knowing right from wrong) , then years later we have CONFIRMATION....confirming positively that you are a Catholic. I guess CONFIRMATION would be what other Christians call "Born Again".


52 posted on 08/02/2005 8:49:58 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

Yep, good! I figured that I would not get anywhere! Thanks for posting.


53 posted on 08/02/2005 8:55:47 AM PDT by defconw (ALLEN IN 08)
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To: defconw

You're welcome....:)


54 posted on 08/02/2005 9:07:04 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
Pleased to make your acquittance!
55 posted on 08/02/2005 9:09:04 AM PDT by defconw (ALLEN IN 08)
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To: defconw

Ditto's!! I agree with yout tagline also....at least from what I know now!


56 posted on 08/02/2005 9:16:11 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

I like him so far, I love Santroum but this very thread shows we can't get him elected, ignorance abounds.


57 posted on 08/02/2005 9:18:29 AM PDT by defconw (ALLEN IN 08)
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later read/pingout...?


58 posted on 08/02/2005 9:34:52 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: OESY

Mainstream America is not re
presented in the high councils of the Democratic Party. Since 1980 every Catholic Democratic politician with hopes for high office has had to subordinate his faith to his ambition. But it goes deeper than that. the pro-abortion crowd assrts that the opposition to abortion is only faith based, that it is simply a matter of religious dogma. They swept under the rug the fact that there is disagreement in the medical community based on different interpretation of data. They ignore the fact that lawyers have never accepted Blackmun's reasoning in the Roe/Doe cases, even those who support the decision. In 1973 the Court hoped to steamroll any opposition, because only the Catholic Church had any principled objection to their findings. The Evangelical opposition began to build only after the numbers of abortions increased to horrific levels. Divisions in the Catholic Church have weakened her ability to influence even her own flock, and many Catholics have chosen assimilation into an increasingly secular society before their faith, a trend encouraged by false priests like Father Drinan and liberal bishops who were more interested in promoting the social Gospel than in opposing a pernicuous law. They have reaped what they have sown: the elites have cut them no slack as can be seen by the calumny that has followed the gay priest scandals. The national elite would have Catholics silent and confined to Sunday worship.


59 posted on 08/02/2005 9:42:12 AM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: RobbyS
Pleased to meet your acquaintance Robby! Hang tough we WILL turn this ship eventually!
60 posted on 08/02/2005 9:47:32 AM PDT by defconw (ALLEN IN 08)
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