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Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Colorado Gold ^ | 8-1-2005 | Don

Posted on 08/01/2005 7:21:44 PM PDT by satchmodog9

Hiroshima and Nagasaki

While most may not remember the details, they do know about that famous B-29 bomber which dropped two atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki Japan, for all practical purposes ending World War Two. The Smithsonian has completed a cosmetic restoration of the Enola Gay, the plane that dropped the bombs, and is now on display. As expected, a large sized hullabaloo has arisen over the way Harry Truman decided to end the war. Various old saws are paraded about, such as the hackneyed and untrue one that, "The Japanese had already sued for peace," "Atomic weapons shouldn't have been used," and "Unnecessary lives were lost." After 60 years, a lot of facts have been lost, buried, or conveniently forgotten. Allow me to refresh your memory.

The Japanese hadn't sued for peace at all, but were continuing the war, as if nothing had happened, vowing to kill all the POW's if they lost. As each island was captured, it was discovered that Allied prisoners had been shot, beheaded, drowned, burned, or in some other way killed in the most unmentionable atrocities. The professional hand wringers remember two dates: August 6th, 1945, when the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, and August 9th, when a larger one was dropped on Nagasaki. Here are a few more pertinent dates, which will explain August 6th and 9th, 1945.

Even though the Jap navy had been largely sunk, air force decimated, and factories destroyed, they fought on, as if all was going well. They considered themselves to be a superior race, which could not be beaten by inferior 'white devils.' Then came the B-29 "Super Fortress." On the nights of March 9 and 10, the largest air raid in history took place over Tokyo, with 279 B-29's unloading fire bombs, totally destroying 16 square miles of that city with five million inhabitants. 63% of the commercial district, and 18% of the remaining industrial capacity was destroyed in these raids. 250,000 buildings were destroyed, and possibly as many as 100,000 killed. The flames could be seen a hundred miles at sea by the crews, as they returned to their home bases or carriers. Next month, the B-29's came back again, further destroying Tokyo. Still, the Japanese acted as if nothing had happened, continued to kill POW's, and believing Tojo's words, that all was going well. The 'white devils' were being smashed.

On May 24th and 25th, the Super Fortresses came back again, this time another record being set, with 558 planes over Tokyo, this time destroying half the city, with 56.3 miles being reduced to ashes. Still no surrender. By the end of June, 13 million Japanese were homeless, and 58 smaller cities were being hit. On July 10th, 2,000 planes were in the air over Japan. B-29's, as well as fighters were bombing everything in sight, and even dropping leaflets, giving the schedules as to what cities were next in line.

Surrender was not in the Jap lexicon. Rather than being taken prisoner or surrendering, hundreds of thousands of them committed hari-kari. On Iwo Jima, 21,000 Jap soldiers died, and on Okinawa, 70,000. The Emperor expected them to resist to the death, and they followed instructions. On July 26th, Japan was told to give up or face prompt and utter destruction. On August 1st, 836 B-29's again broke records for the largest bomb drop, and number of planes in air raid history. No reply.

Truman had enough. He knew the Japs had promised no POW would be spared, and an invasion of the mainland would cost a million lives of both the Japs and Allies. There was absolutely no reasoning with them. On August 6th, the Enola Gay (maiden name of the pilot's mother) came over Hiroshima at 31,600 feet, and dropped "Little Boy," killing perhaps 100,000. After the drop, Truman said that Japan must give up or, "Face a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which had never been seen on this earth." No reply. Three days later, on August 9th, "Fat Man" was dropped over Nagasaki, killing perhaps another 50,000. Still no surrender. Finally, on August 15th, almost a week after Nagasaki had been destroyed, and over a week after Hiroshima, the Japanese surrendered.

The Americans had warned, pleaded, begged, threatened, and done everything in their power to end the war with a civilized surrender. The Japs wouldn't give up, in spite of the Allies virtually destroying their major cities, minor cities, navy, air force, manufacturing capability, capturing their outposts, and making every possible conventional war move. It was necessary to do what was done. The Japanese would have fought to their last man, killing every prisoner they held along the way, and obliterating their nation from the face of the earth, probably thinking that in the after-life, they would receive just rewards for fighting the 'white devils.' Truman did what he had to do, and saved the most lives in the process.

The dropping of those two nuclear bombs on Japan, save at least a million lives, and shortened the war by many months. Those that choose not to recognize that America tried over and over again to get them to surrender, without success, ignore the figures as borne out by history. The death rate in the Jap POW camps was 27%, and in German ones, 4%, The Holocaust did not take place in POW camps. The Germans obeyed the Geneva Convention as best they could, and the Japs didn't even try. The Jap POW camps were so lethal, that few returning veterans would even speak of them, and most of the WW II stories and film, ignore the Jap camps, they were so brutal and death dealing. I can see no wrong in remembering and approving the final act which ended that hideous war. The true crime, was FDR getting us into it in the first place. I still will not own anything Japanese, and am glad to admit it.


TOPICS: Japan; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: atomicbomb; enolagay; hiroshima; nagasaki; wwii
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To: CWOJackson

I missed that s at the end of bomb. Good catch.


21 posted on 08/01/2005 7:34:14 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: All

The US Air Force Museum lists the aircraft as Bockscar, but indicates that it's also been referred to as Bock's Car and Bocks Car. (This historic aircraft is sometimes referred to as "Bocks Car" or "Bock's Car" but the actual name painted on the aircraft was "Bockscar".)


22 posted on 08/01/2005 7:34:27 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: jude24

Who asked you.


23 posted on 08/01/2005 7:34:54 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: satchmodog9

If you are ever anywhere near Dayton, OH this is well worth a two day side trip (you will need two days to do it justice).


24 posted on 08/01/2005 7:36:07 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: satchmodog9
COME AND SING THE SONG
25 posted on 08/01/2005 7:37:42 PM PDT by doug from upland (The Hillary documentary is coming)
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To: CWOJackson

did you see that Discovery Channel show - Tibbet's grandson (I believe) is in the 509th bomber wing learning to fly the B2.


26 posted on 08/01/2005 7:38:18 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: CWOJackson

I love planes. Spent the weekend here.http://www.airventure.org/


27 posted on 08/01/2005 7:38:52 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: oceanview

That is interesting. I just hope there's never a need for him to start a family tradition.


28 posted on 08/01/2005 7:39:40 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: satchmodog9
This is a public forum; I don't need an invitation for my opinion. Especially when it's right.

I know my professors would freak if I used the term "Jap" in a serious article. It is considered a racial slur.

29 posted on 08/01/2005 7:43:52 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: oceanview
I believe Bock's Car dropped the Nagasaki bomb. someone correct me if I am wrong.

You are correct. Bock's Car is on display at the Air Force Museum at Wright Patterson AFB in Daydon, Ohio.

30 posted on 08/01/2005 7:47:05 PM PDT by stevem
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To: satchmodog9

bttt


31 posted on 08/01/2005 7:48:51 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: jude24

Write Don and complain (gold@gwe.net). Being a bigot never seemed to disqualify Robert Byrd from being taken seriously. Spend less time trying to disqualify his opinion because you disagree with the words a 75 year old man uses to describe the Japanese. Spend more time understanding his attitude towards those who write revisionist history.


32 posted on 08/01/2005 7:50:05 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: satchmodog9
It's not "revisionism" to demand that racial slurs not enter a work I am going to consider seriously.

I would never take seriously an examination of the Civil War that used the term "n----r" except in historical contexts. "Jap" and "Nip" and so forth, similarly, have no place in a serious discussion of the issues. His choice of diction shows he is nothing more than a hardened old bigot, still living in the 1940's.

33 posted on 08/01/2005 7:53:47 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: teacherwoes
Yep, just this evening I was listening to my stepfather and previously my wife's uncle, both Marines, recount their Pacific island hopping experiences. They both end their stories with preparation for invasion of Japan and the words "but fortunately (for us) we dropped the bomb."
34 posted on 08/01/2005 7:54:02 PM PDT by dmcnash
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To: jude24
I know my professors would freak if I used the term "Jap" in a serious article. It is considered a racial slur.

Obviously your professor didn't live during WWII when the Japs were the Japs. And lots of us folks who lived during that time still consider it an appropriate appelation.

35 posted on 08/01/2005 7:54:04 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: satchmodog9
My addition would be to point out that even after the bombs were dropped, hardcore forces in Japan tried to stage a coup of sorts* to prevent the Emperor from surrendering (* they weren't going to remove him, but just "correct" him)...
37 posted on 08/01/2005 7:55:57 PM PDT by LRS
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To: stevem
Correct, it is at Wright Patterson in Ohio. The pilot was Colonel Tibbits, whom is still alive.

It is rather eerie to look up into those open bomb bay doors.
It did end the war with Japan and saved 100s of thousands of American lives. It saved even more Japanese lives. They would have lost millions in an invasion. With total air superiority we would have bombed Japan for months before an invasion. The direct loses from bombings would have been in the 100s of thousands and the death from disease and starvation would have been in the millions. The Japanese were spared the total destruction of their culture by the atomic bomb.
38 posted on 08/01/2005 7:56:04 PM PDT by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Rough Neck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast (Oil Field Trash was FUN))
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To: jude24
a hardened old bigot, still living in the 1940's

On that we can agree.

39 posted on 08/01/2005 7:57:46 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: satchmodog9
Fair enough. I have no further quarrel with you, then.
40 posted on 08/01/2005 7:59:01 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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