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Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Colorado Gold ^ | 8-1-2005 | Don

Posted on 08/01/2005 7:21:44 PM PDT by satchmodog9

Hiroshima and Nagasaki

While most may not remember the details, they do know about that famous B-29 bomber which dropped two atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki Japan, for all practical purposes ending World War Two. The Smithsonian has completed a cosmetic restoration of the Enola Gay, the plane that dropped the bombs, and is now on display. As expected, a large sized hullabaloo has arisen over the way Harry Truman decided to end the war. Various old saws are paraded about, such as the hackneyed and untrue one that, "The Japanese had already sued for peace," "Atomic weapons shouldn't have been used," and "Unnecessary lives were lost." After 60 years, a lot of facts have been lost, buried, or conveniently forgotten. Allow me to refresh your memory.

The Japanese hadn't sued for peace at all, but were continuing the war, as if nothing had happened, vowing to kill all the POW's if they lost. As each island was captured, it was discovered that Allied prisoners had been shot, beheaded, drowned, burned, or in some other way killed in the most unmentionable atrocities. The professional hand wringers remember two dates: August 6th, 1945, when the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, and August 9th, when a larger one was dropped on Nagasaki. Here are a few more pertinent dates, which will explain August 6th and 9th, 1945.

Even though the Jap navy had been largely sunk, air force decimated, and factories destroyed, they fought on, as if all was going well. They considered themselves to be a superior race, which could not be beaten by inferior 'white devils.' Then came the B-29 "Super Fortress." On the nights of March 9 and 10, the largest air raid in history took place over Tokyo, with 279 B-29's unloading fire bombs, totally destroying 16 square miles of that city with five million inhabitants. 63% of the commercial district, and 18% of the remaining industrial capacity was destroyed in these raids. 250,000 buildings were destroyed, and possibly as many as 100,000 killed. The flames could be seen a hundred miles at sea by the crews, as they returned to their home bases or carriers. Next month, the B-29's came back again, further destroying Tokyo. Still, the Japanese acted as if nothing had happened, continued to kill POW's, and believing Tojo's words, that all was going well. The 'white devils' were being smashed.

On May 24th and 25th, the Super Fortresses came back again, this time another record being set, with 558 planes over Tokyo, this time destroying half the city, with 56.3 miles being reduced to ashes. Still no surrender. By the end of June, 13 million Japanese were homeless, and 58 smaller cities were being hit. On July 10th, 2,000 planes were in the air over Japan. B-29's, as well as fighters were bombing everything in sight, and even dropping leaflets, giving the schedules as to what cities were next in line.

Surrender was not in the Jap lexicon. Rather than being taken prisoner or surrendering, hundreds of thousands of them committed hari-kari. On Iwo Jima, 21,000 Jap soldiers died, and on Okinawa, 70,000. The Emperor expected them to resist to the death, and they followed instructions. On July 26th, Japan was told to give up or face prompt and utter destruction. On August 1st, 836 B-29's again broke records for the largest bomb drop, and number of planes in air raid history. No reply.

Truman had enough. He knew the Japs had promised no POW would be spared, and an invasion of the mainland would cost a million lives of both the Japs and Allies. There was absolutely no reasoning with them. On August 6th, the Enola Gay (maiden name of the pilot's mother) came over Hiroshima at 31,600 feet, and dropped "Little Boy," killing perhaps 100,000. After the drop, Truman said that Japan must give up or, "Face a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which had never been seen on this earth." No reply. Three days later, on August 9th, "Fat Man" was dropped over Nagasaki, killing perhaps another 50,000. Still no surrender. Finally, on August 15th, almost a week after Nagasaki had been destroyed, and over a week after Hiroshima, the Japanese surrendered.

The Americans had warned, pleaded, begged, threatened, and done everything in their power to end the war with a civilized surrender. The Japs wouldn't give up, in spite of the Allies virtually destroying their major cities, minor cities, navy, air force, manufacturing capability, capturing their outposts, and making every possible conventional war move. It was necessary to do what was done. The Japanese would have fought to their last man, killing every prisoner they held along the way, and obliterating their nation from the face of the earth, probably thinking that in the after-life, they would receive just rewards for fighting the 'white devils.' Truman did what he had to do, and saved the most lives in the process.

The dropping of those two nuclear bombs on Japan, save at least a million lives, and shortened the war by many months. Those that choose not to recognize that America tried over and over again to get them to surrender, without success, ignore the figures as borne out by history. The death rate in the Jap POW camps was 27%, and in German ones, 4%, The Holocaust did not take place in POW camps. The Germans obeyed the Geneva Convention as best they could, and the Japs didn't even try. The Jap POW camps were so lethal, that few returning veterans would even speak of them, and most of the WW II stories and film, ignore the Jap camps, they were so brutal and death dealing. I can see no wrong in remembering and approving the final act which ended that hideous war. The true crime, was FDR getting us into it in the first place. I still will not own anything Japanese, and am glad to admit it.


TOPICS: Japan; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: atomicbomb; enolagay; hiroshima; nagasaki; wwii
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This guy can be a real turd sometimes. He is kind of a tinfoil nut, but when he hits something he hits it dead on.
1 posted on 08/01/2005 7:21:44 PM PDT by satchmodog9
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bombs? I believe Bock's Car dropped the Nagasaki bomb. someone correct me if I am wrong.


2 posted on 08/01/2005 7:23:29 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

You're right.


3 posted on 08/01/2005 7:23:50 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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where is that plane?


4 posted on 08/01/2005 7:24:37 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: satchmodog9

One minor correction. The Enola Gay only dropped the bomb on Hiroshima. Bockscar was the B-29 that dropped on Nagasaki.


5 posted on 08/01/2005 7:25:03 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: oceanview

Ahhh, now you got me.

I wanna say the Smithsonian at Dulles, but I'm not sure.


6 posted on 08/01/2005 7:26:06 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: oceanview

You would be correct. I was too busy trying to get over his FDR comment. He is an isolationist and he believes every war we get into somehow benefits some hidden power.


7 posted on 08/01/2005 7:26:24 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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If anyone says that the bomb shouldn't have been used then they should go talk to one of the soldiers, sailors or airmen who were to be part of the invasion force of Japan.


8 posted on 08/01/2005 7:26:49 PM PDT by teacherwoes (If you can read this...thank a caring teacher)
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Yes, it was Bock's Car that dropped Fat Man over Nagasaki. However, Fred Bock (for whom the aircraft was named) wasn't the pilot. Major Charles Sweeney flew Bock's Car on the mission because his aircraft, The Great Artise was assigned as the instrument aircraft and it would have been a waste of time to switch all of the instrumentation around.
9 posted on 08/01/2005 7:28:06 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Tom Tancredo- The Republican Party's Very Own Cynthia McKinney.)
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"where is that plane?"

Try the U.S. Air Force Museum, Dayton, Ohio. Undoubtedly the best aviation museum in the world.

10 posted on 08/01/2005 7:28:43 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Petronski

You are correct. The Space Shuttle Enterprise is also there.


11 posted on 08/01/2005 7:29:10 PM PDT by Nick The Freeper
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To: teacherwoes

My dad for one. 19yrs old.


12 posted on 08/01/2005 7:29:18 PM PDT by 359Henrie
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To: Nick The Freeper

Oh, sorry, I thought you were referring to the Enola Gay.


13 posted on 08/01/2005 7:30:06 PM PDT by Nick The Freeper
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To: CWOJackson

He never said Enola was involved in Nagasaki.


14 posted on 08/01/2005 7:30:15 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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No historian can be taken seriously if he uses the term "Jap."


15 posted on 08/01/2005 7:30:48 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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Not a historian. He is a gold trader.


16 posted on 08/01/2005 7:31:54 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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"The Smithsonian has completed a cosmetic restoration of the Enola Gay, the plane that dropped the bombs..."


17 posted on 08/01/2005 7:32:17 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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As CWOJackson said, Bock's Car is at the U.S. Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio.

The Enola Gay is at the Smithsonian.

18 posted on 08/01/2005 7:32:26 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Tom Tancredo- The Republican Party's Very Own Cynthia McKinney.)
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I'm thinking of the Enola Gay being at Dulles, as you later pointed out.

Bock's Car is at Wright-Patterson.

19 posted on 08/01/2005 7:32:58 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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He's writing a historical essay. He is setting himself up as knowledgable on this subject. The use of the term "Jap," however, shows that he is nothing more than an ideologue writing a screed.

I need read no more. No serious expert would ever use a racial slur in a serious article.

20 posted on 08/01/2005 7:33:48 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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