Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Colorado Gold ^ | 8-1-2005 | Don

[satchmodog9]

I missed that s at the end of bomb. Good catch.

[CWOJackson]

The US Air Force Museum lists the aircraft as Bockscar, but indicates that it's also been referred to as Bock's Car and Bocks Car. (This historic aircraft is sometimes referred to as "Bocks Car" or "Bock's Car" but the actual name painted on the aircraft was "Bockscar".)

[satchmodog9]

Who asked you.

[CWOJackson]

If you are ever anywhere near Dayton, OH this is well worth a two day side trip (you will need two days to do it justice).

[doug from upland]

COME AND SING THE SONG

[oceanview]

did you see that Discovery Channel show - Tibbet's grandson (I believe) is in the 509th bomber wing learning to fly the B2.

[satchmodog9]

I love planes. Spent the weekend here.http://www.airventure.org/

[CWOJackson]

That is interesting. I just hope there's never a need for him to start a family tradition.

[jude24]

This is a public forum; I don't need an invitation for my opinion. Especially when it's right.

I know my professors would freak if I used the term "Jap" in a serious article. It is considered a racial slur.

[stevem]

I believe Bock's Car dropped the Nagasaki bomb. someone correct me if I am wrong.

You are correct. Bock's Car is on display at the Air Force Museum at Wright Patterson AFB in Daydon, Ohio.

[rlmorel]

bttt

[satchmodog9]

Write Don and complain (gold@gwe.net). Being a bigot never seemed to disqualify Robert Byrd from being taken seriously. Spend less time trying to disqualify his opinion because you disagree with the words a 75 year old man uses to describe the Japanese. Spend more time understanding his attitude towards those who write revisionist history.

[jude24]

It's not "revisionism" to demand that racial slurs not enter a work I am going to consider seriously.

I would never take seriously an examination of the Civil War that used the term "n----r" except in historical contexts. "Jap" and "Nip" and so forth, similarly, have no place in a serious discussion of the issues. His choice of diction shows he is nothing more than a hardened old bigot, still living in the 1940's.

[dmcnash]

Yep, just this evening I was listening to my stepfather and previously my wife's uncle, both Marines, recount their Pacific island hopping experiences. They both end their stories with preparation for invasion of Japan and the words "but fortunately (for us) we dropped the bomb."

[jackbill]

I know my professors would freak if I used the term "Jap" in a serious article. It is considered a racial slur.

Obviously your professor didn't live during WWII when the Japs were the Japs. And lots of us folks who lived during that time still consider it an appropriate appelation.

[LRS]

My addition would be to point out that even after the bombs were dropped, hardcore forces in Japan tried to stage a coup of sorts* to prevent the Emperor from surrendering (* they weren't going to remove him, but just "correct" him)...

[cpdiii]

Correct, it is at Wright Patterson in Ohio. The pilot was Colonel Tibbits, whom is still alive.

It is rather eerie to look up into those open bomb bay doors.
It did end the war with Japan and saved 100s of thousands of American lives. It saved even more Japanese lives. They would have lost millions in an invasion. With total air superiority we would have bombed Japan for months before an invasion. The direct loses from bombings would have been in the 100s of thousands and the death from disease and starvation would have been in the millions. The Japanese were spared the total destruction of their culture by the atomic bomb.

[satchmodog9]

a hardened old bigot, still living in the 1940's

On that we can agree.

[jude24]

Fair enough. I have no further quarrel with you, then.