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Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both
Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 08/01/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

The half-century campaign to eradicate any vestige of religion from public life has run its course. The backlash from a nation fed up with the A.C.L.U. kicking crèches out of municipal Christmas displays has created a new balance. State-supported universities may subsidize the activities of student religious groups. Monuments inscribed with the Ten Commandments are permitted on government grounds. The Federal Government is engaged in a major antipoverty initiative that gives money to churches. Religion is back out of the closet.

But nothing could do more to undermine this most salutary restoration than the new and gratuitous attempts to invade science, and most particularly evolution, with religion. Have we learned nothing? In Kansas, conservative school-board members are attempting to rewrite statewide standards for teaching evolution to make sure that creationism's modern stepchild, intelligent design, infiltrates the curriculum. Similar anti-Darwinian mandates are already in place in Ohio and are being fought over in 20 states. And then, as if to second the evangelical push for this tarted-up version of creationism, out of the blue appears a declaration from Christoph Cardinal Schönborn of Vienna, a man very close to the Pope, asserting that the supposed acceptance of evolution by John Paul II is mistaken. In fact, he says, the Roman Catholic Church rejects "neo-Darwinism" with the declaration that an "unguided evolutionary process--one that falls outside the bounds of divine providence--simply cannot exist."

Cannot? On what scientific evidence? Evolution is one of the most powerful and elegant theories in all of human science and the bedrock of all modern biology. Schönborn's proclamation that it cannot exist unguided--that it is driven by an intelligent designer pushing and pulling and planning and shaping the process along the way--is a perfectly legitimate statement of faith. If he and the Evangelicals just stopped there and asked that intelligent design be included in a religion curriculum, I would support them. The scandal is to teach this as science--to pretend, as does Schönborn, that his statement of faith is a defense of science. "The Catholic Church," he says, "will again defend human reason" against "scientific theories that try to explain away the appearance of design as the result of 'chance and necessity,'" which "are not scientific at all." Well, if you believe that science is reason and that reason begins with recognizing the existence of an immanent providence, then this is science. But, of course, it is not. This is faith disguised as science. Science begins not with first principles but with observation and experimentation.

In this slippery slide from "reason" to science, Schönborn is a direct descendant of the early 17th century Dutch clergyman and astronomer David Fabricius, who could not accept Johannes Kepler's discovery of elliptical planetary orbits. Why? Because the circle is so pure and perfect that reason must reject anything less. "With your ellipse," Fabricius wrote Kepler, "you abolish the circularity and uniformity of the motions, which appears to me increasingly absurd the more profoundly I think about it." No matter that, using Tycho Brahe's most exhaustive astronomical observations in history, Kepler had empirically demonstrated that the planets orbit elliptically.

This conflict between faith and science had mercifully abated over the past four centuries as each grew to permit the other its own independent sphere. What we are witnessing now is a frontier violation by the forces of religion. This new attack claims that because there are gaps in evolution, they therefore must be filled by a divine intelligent designer.

How many times do we have to rerun the Scopes "monkey trial"? There are gaps in science everywhere. Are we to fill them all with divinity? There were gaps in Newton's universe. They were ultimately filled by Einstein's revisions. There are gaps in Einstein's universe, great chasms between it and quantum theory. Perhaps they are filled by God. Perhaps not. But it is certainly not science to merely declare it so.

To teach faith as science is to undermine the very idea of science, which is the acquisition of new knowledge through hypothesis, experimentation and evidence. To teach it as science is to encourage the supercilious caricature of America as a nation in the thrall of religious authority. To teach it as science is to discredit the welcome recent advances in permitting the public expression of religion. Faith can and should be proclaimed from every mountaintop and city square. But it has no place in science class. To impose it on the teaching of evolution is not just to invite ridicule but to earn it.


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KEYWORDS: acanthostega; charleskrauthammer; creation; crevolist; faith; ichthyostega; krauthammer; science; scienceeducation; scopes; smallpenismen
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To: Elsie
EVERYONE knows that us AND apes morphed from something else...

More accurately, we and the other existing great apes all share an ape ancestor.

281 posted on 08/01/2005 3:25:32 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: Asphalt
"Nice little back-handed slap. "

Sorry, it wasn't intentional, just borne of frustration with many creationists not accepting secular sites.

"As for the article, interesting, but not very elaborate

True.

Prigonine's Website

He lists both journal articles and books. You may have better luck than I've had getting a hold of them.

282 posted on 08/01/2005 3:26:41 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: narby
No single thing opened my eyes about the fantasy I believed. But you helped. I'm sure you help others find flaws in their faith in the same manner. Is that your goal? Your blind faith, combined with millions of others taught the same thing, does have the threat of bringing down western civilization to another dark ages. My history isn't great, but looking from here it wouldn't surprise me that Christianity "helped" the Roman civilization in the same way.

???

283 posted on 08/01/2005 3:28:06 PM PDT by Asphalt
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To: Asphalt
I somehow find the explanation far from satisfactory

Many creationists do. I suspect it is because it takes away one of their favourite simple arguments against evolution.
284 posted on 08/01/2005 3:28:44 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: b_sharp
Sorry, it wasn't intentional, just borne of frustration with many creationists not accepting secular sites.

I was kidding.

285 posted on 08/01/2005 3:29:43 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join my NFL ping list! FReepmail me| The best things in life aren't things)
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To: b_sharp
What biological organisms inhabit he sun?


Just this guy.
286 posted on 08/01/2005 3:30:26 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Elsie

"Nope; you didn't go re-read it!"


It's a children's story. At best.


287 posted on 08/01/2005 3:30:41 PM PDT by Blzbba (For a man who does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favorable - Seneca)
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To: JeffAtlanta; Sloth
Faith in a supreme being is a very different usage of the word than having faith that the toilet will flush when I press the handle.

In either case, faith has an object for which there is evidence. Faith and fact go hand in hand. Blind faith is another matter altogether. It is usually associated with a certain rock . . . band.

288 posted on 08/01/2005 3:32:17 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: webboy45
When did the Sun ever cause an increase in complexity, without intellegent guidance or intervention?

When it formed from cosmic gas.

289 posted on 08/01/2005 3:36:15 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Wow, He sounds like one bitter anthropologist.

Unfortunately he did not give his source for the chimp DNA being 10% longer than human. I have been unable to find it.


290 posted on 08/01/2005 3:43:21 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: narby
They teach music as THEORY too. You gonna claim that music may not exist.

Oh yes...your sooo right. I guess I just HAVE to do that since I am such a simpleton and ignorant of what you know. How convenient of you to divorce what evolution THEORY is and make such a comparison to Music theory. A false argument on its face. Music is much the same as math and with a great amount of work you can PROVE the theory and yet with evolution we have MUCH NOT proven.

Your problem is you either don't know what a scientific theory is. Or you've been told, but you've ignored it.

And your problem is your assumptions.

It's probably the latter. Creationists are remarkably impervious to information.

So then I guess you can PROVE the theory? After all its all that I want. If not totally provable then why is it taught as so much the fact by so many? All else is ok to dismiss but the evolution theory remains. Or is it just more anti-religion bigotry by calling people impervious to "information" as if they are so stupid/ignorant for not believing an unproven theory? Some places at least teach BOTH theories. I guess they are just idiots too.

291 posted on 08/01/2005 3:46:58 PM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: ICE-FLYER
So then I guess you can PROVE the theory? After all its all that I want.

Theories in science are never proven. Asking for "proof" of any scientific theory is merely demonstrating your fundamental ignorance of how science works.
292 posted on 08/01/2005 3:49:12 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Asphalt
All that I saw worth anything

Respectfully, read the first section on retroviruses (about 5 concise paragraphs) - it will only take about 5 minutes at most. The DNA fossill evidence is VERY substantial.

I have asked a few other people that just dismissed the post out of hand to read just that section but so far no one has taken me up on it. Maybe they have, but then realized that the church leaders that parrot the saying "it takes more faith to believe in Evolution than Creationism" are either ignorant or dishonest.

Evolution and Christianity aren't mutually exclusive.

293 posted on 08/01/2005 3:49:54 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Zeroisanumber
No, you stop teaching bad science: evolution as if it proves scientific materialism and disproves the existence of God.

As for Hitler, you mean a jibe, but there is more to it than you think. Hitler sincerely embraced extreme German nationalism and the leading New Age and scientific theories of the day: the teachings of Madame Blavatsky and the Ultima Thule society, and doctrines of scientific racism, eugenics, and evolution -- with much of it imported from the US and Britain.

A vulgar belief in evolution was a large part of what fostered and sustained Hitler and the Nazis. Take a look at the War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race, by Edwin Black, gives an account of its role.

Here is a useful review by Johannes L. Jacobse:

In War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race, Edwin Black exhaustively chronicles the rise of the American eugenics movement. Eugenics ("good birth" in Greek) is considered crackpot science today, but at one time it captured the hearts and minds of America's leading thinkers, including social scientists, educators, judges, philanthropists, and clergy.

America in the late 1800s and early 1900s was particularly susceptible to eugenic ideology, writes Black. The divisions between people were marked not by economic class but by race, which compelled social analysts to think in group terms. Crime and poverty were considered ethnic - and in some cases generational - phenomena, rather than individual incidents. The resistance to quick assimilation demonstrated by the eighteen million immigrants between 1890 and 1920 threatened social cohesion. Regional trends like the absorption of Mexicans after the Mexican-American war, the mass influx of Chinese laborers, and the numbers of emancipated slaves affirmed the fear that America was tearing itself apart.

The father of the modern eugenics movement, England's Francis J. Galton, gave the pseudo-science its first taste of scientific credibility. Intoxicated by the ideas of Charles Darwin, the rediscovered genetic theories of Gregor Mendel, and the secularized philosophy of Herbert Spencer, Galton concluded that assembling data about social heredity could predict which families and ethnic groups would produce socially desirable offspring.

Eugenics never found widespread acceptance in England, but in America it was a different story. The American movement found a leader in Charles Davenport, a biologist with a flair for organization, fundraising, and promotion. Drawing upon Galton's work and funded by the Carnegie Foundation, Davenport opened the Carnegie Station for Experimental Evolution in Cold Spring Harbor, New York in 1904.

Davenport wasted no time. In short order, a battalion of social workers fanned into the countryside to chart the characteristics of people they considered undesirable (blacks, poor, infirm, criminals, alcoholics, etc.). Thousands of people were forcibly sterilized (6,000 between 1907 and 1927; 36,000 by 1940). Children were taken from their families. Criminals were castrated.

Some states passed legislation supporting sterilization, and the nation soon found itself considering a federal policy of forced sterilization. The eugenics movement found its poster child in Carrie Buck, the daughter of a prostitute. After giving birth to an illegitimate child, Carrie was forcibly institutionalized and declared "feebleminded by the laws of heredity."

Oliver Wendell Holmes was the chief jurist hearing the case. Carrie lost 8-1. Writing for the majority, Holmes arrogantly declared:

We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if we could not call upon those who sap the strength of the state for these lesser sacrifices… compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes… three generations of imbeciles is enough.

It was music to the eugenicists' ears.

Common people were more clear-headed. The arbitrary decisions about what constituted social desirability struck many Americans not only as capricious but as evil. The movement was resisted, critiqued, and mocked at every turn, and justifiably so. It was challenged in the courts and editorial pages. Support for it finally began to wane.

In Germany, the opposite happened. The American ideas were enthusiastically embraced by German thinkers, resulting in the murder of 250,000 disabled Germans between 1935 and 1945 alone. Black believes that the inspiration for Hitler's Final Solution drew more from the ideas of American eugenicists than from Hitler's nationalism. Here the real evil that eugenic ideas could unleash was revealed to anyone willing to look.

However War Against the Weak displays one glaring inconsistency. Early on Black praises Planned Parenthood, but Planned Parenthood preserves the eugenic ideal more visibly than any other American organization today. Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood and the patron saint of the contemporary abortion movement, was an ardent and unrepentant eugenicist. Black roundly criticizes her, but why he finds it necessary to throw this bone to Planned Parenthood is unclear.

Black concludes his impressive work with an ominous warning:

After Hitler eugenics did not disappear. It renamed itself. What has thrived loudly for decades quietly took postwar refuge under the labels human genetics and genetic counseling.

Genetic data banks, designer babies, and plans for massive social engineering projects are run by a new league of eugenicists that threaten the weak on a scale about which early eugenicists could only dream. Only one precept can prevent a slide into this dark age of war against the weak, cautions Black: "Nothing should be done to exclude, infringe, repress, or harm a person because of his genetic makeup." A simpler commandment will do: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

http://www.townhall.com/bookclub/black.html

Here is the website for the book:
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/articles.php
294 posted on 08/01/2005 3:51:11 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Ichneumon

What a fantastic post. Magnificent in its content. Vast in its depth. Showing the amazing complexities of all of existance. And all of it by a roll of a mind shattering complex set of dice. There is nothing like telling the simple minds of the world that all of what we have an know cam from reversing the laws of physics and saying that from the simple has come the complex, because by yours and other evolutionists accounts...thats exactly what has happened.


295 posted on 08/01/2005 3:52:05 PM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Dimensio
Bigger fans, we need bigger fans...
296 posted on 08/01/2005 3:54:22 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: highball
If that's the level of your understanding of the scientific meaning of the word "theory," then I can certainly understand your confusion. You're confusing common useage with the different meaning when used in a scientific context. Don't feel bad, this is a very common error.

LOL! I don't "feel bad" Highball. Nor should you "confuse" what I am saying. When a teacher would teach to students that the theory is fact and not a theory in the process of being fully explored, proven and sustained then they have lost their way. IS this not true of science? Does it not demand proving of a theory BEFORE saying it is fact?

Many FACTS in science are known and provable, and they lend credibility to arguments "suggesting" a path to exactness, but "evidence to suggest" is NOT evidence of fact.

297 posted on 08/01/2005 3:55:59 PM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: ICE-FLYER
Does it not demand proving of a theory

Theories aren't proven. The only people who "demand proving of a theory" of anything are people who don't understand how science works.
298 posted on 08/01/2005 3:58:02 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: ICE-FLYER

Wow! A new low - even the spell-checker can't help you.


299 posted on 08/01/2005 3:58:57 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: ICE-FLYER
There is nothing like telling the simple minds of the world that all of what we have an know cam from reversing the laws of physics and saying that from the simple has come the complex

Read just the first section about retroviruses and let us know if you refute the information provided. It is the first section and is very short - should only take a couple of minutes to read.

I have asked others that just close their eyes to the information to read just that section and get back to us. So far no one has done it.

Creationists continuing complain that "there is no evidence for evolution" yet when it is provided, it is just ignored.

300 posted on 08/01/2005 3:59:18 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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