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Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both
Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 08/01/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

The half-century campaign to eradicate any vestige of religion from public life has run its course. The backlash from a nation fed up with the A.C.L.U. kicking crèches out of municipal Christmas displays has created a new balance. State-supported universities may subsidize the activities of student religious groups. Monuments inscribed with the Ten Commandments are permitted on government grounds. The Federal Government is engaged in a major antipoverty initiative that gives money to churches. Religion is back out of the closet.

But nothing could do more to undermine this most salutary restoration than the new and gratuitous attempts to invade science, and most particularly evolution, with religion. Have we learned nothing? In Kansas, conservative school-board members are attempting to rewrite statewide standards for teaching evolution to make sure that creationism's modern stepchild, intelligent design, infiltrates the curriculum. Similar anti-Darwinian mandates are already in place in Ohio and are being fought over in 20 states. And then, as if to second the evangelical push for this tarted-up version of creationism, out of the blue appears a declaration from Christoph Cardinal Schönborn of Vienna, a man very close to the Pope, asserting that the supposed acceptance of evolution by John Paul II is mistaken. In fact, he says, the Roman Catholic Church rejects "neo-Darwinism" with the declaration that an "unguided evolutionary process--one that falls outside the bounds of divine providence--simply cannot exist."

Cannot? On what scientific evidence? Evolution is one of the most powerful and elegant theories in all of human science and the bedrock of all modern biology. Schönborn's proclamation that it cannot exist unguided--that it is driven by an intelligent designer pushing and pulling and planning and shaping the process along the way--is a perfectly legitimate statement of faith. If he and the Evangelicals just stopped there and asked that intelligent design be included in a religion curriculum, I would support them. The scandal is to teach this as science--to pretend, as does Schönborn, that his statement of faith is a defense of science. "The Catholic Church," he says, "will again defend human reason" against "scientific theories that try to explain away the appearance of design as the result of 'chance and necessity,'" which "are not scientific at all." Well, if you believe that science is reason and that reason begins with recognizing the existence of an immanent providence, then this is science. But, of course, it is not. This is faith disguised as science. Science begins not with first principles but with observation and experimentation.

In this slippery slide from "reason" to science, Schönborn is a direct descendant of the early 17th century Dutch clergyman and astronomer David Fabricius, who could not accept Johannes Kepler's discovery of elliptical planetary orbits. Why? Because the circle is so pure and perfect that reason must reject anything less. "With your ellipse," Fabricius wrote Kepler, "you abolish the circularity and uniformity of the motions, which appears to me increasingly absurd the more profoundly I think about it." No matter that, using Tycho Brahe's most exhaustive astronomical observations in history, Kepler had empirically demonstrated that the planets orbit elliptically.

This conflict between faith and science had mercifully abated over the past four centuries as each grew to permit the other its own independent sphere. What we are witnessing now is a frontier violation by the forces of religion. This new attack claims that because there are gaps in evolution, they therefore must be filled by a divine intelligent designer.

How many times do we have to rerun the Scopes "monkey trial"? There are gaps in science everywhere. Are we to fill them all with divinity? There were gaps in Newton's universe. They were ultimately filled by Einstein's revisions. There are gaps in Einstein's universe, great chasms between it and quantum theory. Perhaps they are filled by God. Perhaps not. But it is certainly not science to merely declare it so.

To teach faith as science is to undermine the very idea of science, which is the acquisition of new knowledge through hypothesis, experimentation and evidence. To teach it as science is to encourage the supercilious caricature of America as a nation in the thrall of religious authority. To teach it as science is to discredit the welcome recent advances in permitting the public expression of religion. Faith can and should be proclaimed from every mountaintop and city square. But it has no place in science class. To impose it on the teaching of evolution is not just to invite ridicule but to earn it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: acanthostega; charleskrauthammer; creation; crevolist; faith; ichthyostega; krauthammer; science; scienceeducation; scopes; smallpenismen
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To: Junior
That came to naught, too.

Oh?

I must be imaging MTV and BET then.......

241 posted on 08/01/2005 2:29:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
"Links are so much easier. Like this one:

"Chimpanzees become Human?

Chimps have 10% more DNA?

Where did that come from?

242 posted on 08/01/2005 2:29:17 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: narby
Is HTML all you saw in that post?

All that I saw worth anything

243 posted on 08/01/2005 2:29:28 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join my NFL ping list! FReepmail me| The best things in life aren't things)
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To: Junior

Do you listen as well?


244 posted on 08/01/2005 2:29:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Dimensio

I'm glad you enjoy it so much


245 posted on 08/01/2005 2:29:53 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join my NFL ping list! FReepmail me| The best things in life aren't things)
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To: Junior

Would THEY have known the meaning of that word? ;^)


246 posted on 08/01/2005 2:30:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: b_sharp

True, but it will increase if there is any work being done.


247 posted on 08/01/2005 2:34:11 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: atlaw; narby
Why do you enjoy Narby's loss of faith so much?
 
Well, Narby has accused me of emphasising Scripture that has destroyed his faith.  He has claimed that us "C" folk, by believeing in God's Word so strongly, are undermining the country.
 
I think it's a bit over the top, so I, likewise, am posting that way myself.
 
I'll leave you with this:

 



Regarding this interjection, Martin Gardner writes:

"Darwin himself, as a young biologist aboard H.M.S. Beagle, was so thoroughly orthodox that the ship's officers laughed at his propensity for quoting Scripture. Then 'disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate,' he recalled, 'but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress.' The phrase 'by the creator,' in the final sentence of the selection chosen here, did not appear in the first edition of Origin of Species. It was added to the second edition to conciliate angry clerics. Darwin later wrote, 'I have long since regretted that I truckled to public opinion and used the Pentateuchal term of creation, by which I really meant 'appeared' by some wholly unknown process." [stress added] (Gardner, 1984)
 
 

From here ---> http://www.csuchico.edu/~curban/DarwinDayCollectionOneChapter.html


248 posted on 08/01/2005 2:36:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Evidently, preachers have stopped raling against Rock & Roll -- as long as no one dances to it.


249 posted on 08/01/2005 2:36:45 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: Elsie
Wikipedia covers everything.
250 posted on 08/01/2005 2:37:48 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: Junior
So that's the evolutionist's explanation of the second law. I've meant to ask but haven't gotten around to posting on these threads lately.
251 posted on 08/01/2005 2:37:50 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join my NFL ping list! FReepmail me| The best things in life aren't things)
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To: Rockingham
Rather, the issue is the assertion that evolution in any sense proves scientific materialism and disproves the existence of God or of Christianity as a faith.

The great majority people that I have ever heard make this assertion are Creationists.

252 posted on 08/01/2005 2:38:36 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Elsie
Another question for you. Why do think anyone should listen to you on the subject of Christianity, since by your conduct you are obviously and demonstrably not a Christian?

Ok, ok. Another question. Are you working alone, or are you fronting for some kind of larger anti-Christian group?

253 posted on 08/01/2005 2:39:58 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: webboy45
"The Sun is part of the closed system. When did the Sun ever cause an increase in complexity, without intellegent guidance or intervention?"

What biological organisms inhabit he sun? There can be many many open systems within a closed system as long as the entropy lost by influx of energy in an open system is offset by an over all increase of entropy in the closed system. Entropy is not singularly or necessarily a reduction of order; it is probabilistic in that there are many more ways of being disordered than ordered. It has been shown that ordered states may sometimes arise spontaneously out of disordered states in systems far from thermodynamic equilibrium.

Please, if you are going to raise that old canard, I suggest you learn a little more about it.

254 posted on 08/01/2005 2:40:41 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: longshadow
Old time P L A C E M A R K E R
255 posted on 08/01/2005 2:41:14 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: Asphalt
???

I've already posted that the 2LoT states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. It says nothing about "complexity" or anything else of that nature. It does not preclude localized decreases in entropy as long as the overall entropy of the system does not decrease. Indeed, as has been pointed out, it doesn't say that entropy necessarily has to increase, unless work is actually done. A hypothetical isolated system could be in a state of stasis and not violate the 2LoT.

256 posted on 08/01/2005 2:41:56 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: b_sharp
It has been shown that ordered states may sometimes arise spontaneously out of disordered states in systems far from thermodynamic equilibrium.

Examples? I'm curious

257 posted on 08/01/2005 2:43:13 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join my NFL ping list! FReepmail me| The best things in life aren't things)
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To: trebb

There is no original matter. The sum total of matter and energy in the universe is zero.


258 posted on 08/01/2005 2:43:24 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Junior

Unfortunatly I haven't been able to free up the time to read all of your FR posts. Someday perhaps. I somehow find the explanation far from satisfactory


259 posted on 08/01/2005 2:44:54 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join my NFL ping list! FReepmail me| The best things in life aren't things)
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To: BenLurkin
...the fact that the creatures were created with that make-up in the cells ...

Why do all such (and there are many) viral traces lead to tree diagrams that agree with active genes and with phenotypical correspondences?

260 posted on 08/01/2005 2:45:34 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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