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Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both
Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 08/01/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

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To: Dimensio
Who can take you serious oh angry flower.. great leader of the demented knuckleheads?


1,601 posted on 08/04/2005 10:27:52 AM PDT by chariotdriver
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To: Right Wing Professor
Ooops...I wrote "It is a theory a theorem."

What I meant to say - and you could never have figured it out - was:

"It (evolution) is a theory NOT a theorem."

You ask me if English is my first language. No it is not. Actually my first language is Greek (modern although I can read classical Greek as well). Second is English, third is Italian, and fourth is Japanese (not as good as the first two). Also studied 4 years of Latin in HS.

1,602 posted on 08/04/2005 10:49:38 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Right Wing Professor
Depends on the cause of death. Often, it's a few quarts of blood.

Could be the addition of something, like a .45 slug.

1,603 posted on 08/04/2005 11:14:12 AM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Just wanted to offer something of value to the discussion.:-)

I am a professional computer fix it dude.


1,604 posted on 08/04/2005 11:16:12 AM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: eleni121
It (evolution) is a theory NOT a theorem.

A theory in science is a much more substantial thing than a theory in the vernacular. 'Theory' in the scientific sense does not imply any element of doubt; thus, we have the 'theory of universal gravitation', and the 'atomic theory', both of which are most certainly true.

1,605 posted on 08/04/2005 11:21:35 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: balrog666
so then if you add blood to a .45 slug its alive. H*** throw some electricity at it too. Its alive! Its alive!
1,606 posted on 08/04/2005 11:22:45 AM PDT by chariotdriver
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To: b_sharp
Just wanted to offer something of value to the discussion.:-) I am a professional computer fix it dude.

You're way over-modest. :-)

Actually, I know the problem; my disk-drive power supply is out. The real issue is whether a 5 year old Mac G3 is worth a whole lot of trouble to fix.

1,607 posted on 08/04/2005 11:23:37 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Dimensio
The difference being that neither Bush nor his aides have ever invited Nazis to speak on their behalf.

And you get your 'reliable' news from The Pitch. LOL

1,608 posted on 08/04/2005 11:29:35 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Mac G3?

I thought you said you had a computer? ;->


1,609 posted on 08/04/2005 11:33:53 AM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Dimensio
The difference being that neither Bush nor his aides have ever invited Nazis to speak on their behalf.

And the article you posted from "The Pitch" (LOL) doesn't say anything about anyone being invited to speak on 'their' behalf. Seems you need to be deceitful to further your own agenda. Tsk, tsk.

1,610 posted on 08/04/2005 11:36:56 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Of course, a theory implies that a consensus of scientists accept it - in the science sense. However, as you are aware, many scientific theories accepted by a consensus of scientists at one time or another have been debunked over the years. Theories change, times change, and the search for ? goes on. What many Christian faithful (including many scientists) ask for is that creatinoism/darwinism not be taught as the truth - as proven fact because it is not! Teaching it that way, contricts the creative thinking processes of budding scientists.

After all, asserting that amino acids can be changed to DNA because of natural selection or fluxes in physical energy, or that reptiles morph into birds, or humans into apes makes no sense and cannot really be justified scientifically.


1,611 posted on 08/04/2005 11:50:52 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
"However, as you are aware, many scientific theories accepted by a consensus of scientists at one time or another have been debunked over the years."

An example is?

1,612 posted on 08/04/2005 12:02:11 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: b_sharp; All

With an unknown AMOUNT of terms, let alone knowing the CHANCES of any one one term happening, this whole ODDS thing is a waste of time.

Let's make it simple:

What are the ODDS that a human will be born that can detect infrared like rattlers can?


1,613 posted on 08/04/2005 12:22:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: b_sharp

What?

You got no response from our friends on the other side of the aisle??

I thought they wanted us crevos to learn something!!!


HMmmm........


1,614 posted on 08/04/2005 12:24:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: b_sharp
xzins also explained it to me a few posts earlier.

What?

You got no response from our friends on the other side of the aisle??

I thought they wanted us crevos to learn something!!! HMmmm........

1,615 posted on 08/04/2005 12:24:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: malakhi

Oh, there's more.........


1,616 posted on 08/04/2005 12:25:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
And so far, no creationist has complained about this practice of using taxpayer money to fund Islamic extremists.

Oh...

NOW they are EXTREMISTS as well.


Ok, you E folks are supporting TERROR when you buy gas from blah, blah, blah!


Gosh! That feels SO good!

1,617 posted on 08/04/2005 12:27:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Casloy

GOES insane?


1,618 posted on 08/04/2005 12:28:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: eleni121
What many Christian faithful (including many scientists) ask for is that creatinoism/darwinism not be taught as the truth - as proven fact because it is not!

Should we teach the atomic theory as proven fact, or just as one alternative?

Teaching it that way, contricts the creative thinking processes of budding scientists.

Does teaching that ordinary matter is made of atoms constrict the thought processes of budding chemists?

After all, asserting that amino acids can be changed to DNA because of natural selection or fluxes in physical energy, or that reptiles morph into birds, or humans into apes makes no sense and cannot really be justified scientifically.

No scientist I know asserts any of those things.

1,619 posted on 08/04/2005 12:30:18 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: balrog666
Could be the addition of something, like a .45 slug.

Oh great Derringer, god of death, hearken unto us!

1,620 posted on 08/04/2005 12:31:42 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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