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Mexican mercenaries expand base into U.S.
The Washington Times ^ | 1 AUGUST 2005 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 08/01/2005 3:43:47 AM PDT by rdb3

A renegade band of Mexican military deserters, offering $50,000 bounties for the assassination of U.S. law-enforcement officers, has expanded its base of operations into the United States to protect loads of cocaine and marijuana being brought into America by Mexican smugglers, authorities said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; bananarepublic; borders; bordersecurity; bushamnesty; bushlegacy; bushsfault; gulfcartel; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; invasionusa; killthebastards; loszetas; mexicanmafia; morebushtreason; narcodemocracy; nuevalaredo; openborders; warondrugs; waronterror; zetas
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To: untrained skeptic
"They are hardly riddled with corruption. That's a pretty disgusting insult to people who put their lives on the line to protect our borders, the vast majority of which a good people working within a broken system."

point well taken - the rank and file try their best but I have had contacts at high levels in border patrol in 1970's who felt corruption was a major problem then..the wide spread smuggling of drugs and illegals and the practice of "lead or silver" leads to corruption and blind eye of the justice dept to our open borders also leads to corruption it is a fact I do not like it but I cannot ignore the obvious.
42 posted on 08/01/2005 5:24:04 AM PDT by ConsentofGoverned (A sucker is born every minute..what are the voters?)
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To: rdb3

CALLING ELLIOT NESS...CALLING ELLIOT NESS...COME IN, NESS...OVER...


43 posted on 08/01/2005 5:25:20 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (NEW and IMPROVED: Now with 100% more Tyrannical Tendencies and Dictator Envy!)
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To: rdb3

It's pretty clear that the narcoterrorists control the southern border of the good ol' USA.


44 posted on 08/01/2005 5:25:51 AM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: pageonetoo

There are no National borders any more...

"All countries are basically social arrangements... No matter how permanent or even sacred they may seem at any one time, in fact they are all artificial and temporary... Perhaps national sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all... But it has taken the events in our own wondrous and terrible century to clinch the case for world government."

The Birth of the Global Nation by Strobe Talbott
(Rhodes Scholar, roommate of Bill Clinton at Oxford University, CFR Director, and Trilateralist)


45 posted on 08/01/2005 5:59:24 AM PDT by Navydog
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To: rdb3

No one wants to do away with the Border Patrol. But they are unable to stop the invasion of this country. We are facing a new type of war.


46 posted on 08/01/2005 5:59:39 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: rdb3

I respect your opinion, but disagree,

What is going on now on the Mexican border is not a simple issue of illegal immigrants.

Its a case of an active conspiracy by a foreign power, i.e. Mexico, to violate our borders by encouraging their citizens, directing them, and providing them with active assistance to elude our border guards.

What Mexico is involved with is in effect an act of war against the United States.

Bush has got to wise up, stop his love affair with Vicente Fox, and take whatever measures are necessary to impress upon the Mexican government the negative consequences of this insufferable situation.


47 posted on 08/01/2005 6:09:31 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: rdb3

Is this group-Zeta's-the trained armed cadre around which revolutionaries can gather? Thus, could begin the coming Social War.


48 posted on 08/01/2005 6:13:21 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: rdb3

While the information in the article has to be of concern, IMO the author has overwritten to a rather large extent.

His quotes, except from one sheriff, who found some "commando" stuff, are all general, giving him the license to write the article his way. Wow, commandos are killing federal agents along the border. We're being invaded by an army protecting $10 million per day drug shipments.

How many "real" news articles have you read about this, articles generated by reporters from those border areas?
I haven't seen any that describe the situation like that.

Obviously the border must be secured. It will take a lot of manpower. Drug criminals should be imprisoned, natch, and illegal border-crossers should be interned. We have a bunch of closed bases which could handle lots and lots of people.

Our federal law enforcement agencies, except Border Patrol, don't lose situations like this. There has been no outcry from the FBI, DEA, ATF, Customs, about the commando invasions, and they're all down there working drugs, which is dangerous anywhere, and they get shot at everywhere.

INS, parent agency for Border Patrol, has been compromised for many years. Enforcement efforts have resulted in not much more than the release of the arrestees, or court cases strung out and delayed to the extent that they dry up because it's just not worth it to spend that much money to look after the rights of an offender to insure that he has a fair trial, when the end result is nada.

Operating under the INS jurisdiction, Border Patrol is screwed into ineffectiveness. If they worked in a federal task force arrangement, where the disposal of cases is assured, they can be effective. They have a demoralizing job, and that's what leads to bad results.


49 posted on 08/01/2005 6:21:48 AM PDT by Randy Papadoo (Hey! That's NOT YOUR COOKIE!!!)
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To: Randi Papadoo
"How many "real" news articles have you read about this, articles generated by reporters from those border areas?"

"Real" news?! You mean like CBS, MSNBC, the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, the LA Times, TIME, NEWSWEEK, Newsday and the NY Times?

50 posted on 08/01/2005 6:31:43 AM PDT by bvw
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Is this group-Zeta's-the trained armed cadre around which revolutionaries can gather? Thus, could begin the coming Social War.

I believe that this war has already begun. With armed gangs like the one you mentioned, our military can be engaged with the training that they go through. This is what our military is about: Breaking things and killing people. These fit that bill perfectly.


51 posted on 08/01/2005 6:34:04 AM PDT by rdb3 (I once had a handle on life, but I broke it.)
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To: rdb3
I have been following the border problem for a while now and my understanding as to why the armed forces have not been used is because they don't have arrest authority and would cause a bigger headache in the civil courts than it already is concerning the illegal immigrant problem. Also the SCOTUS have muck up the laws and process of the illegals that it is hard for civilian police to arrest illegals. The arrest ability of the illegals come under ICE or HLS unless the illegals are apprehended for a crime being committed. The way I have gotten to understand it is that according to U.S. Law no other law enforcement other than HLS or those attached to HLS can arrest an illegal for being illegal. Whenever an illegal is arrested for being illegal HLS always say let them go unless they are on some kind of list that they have.

As to the Border Patrol failing? I don't think the Border Patrol per se has failed but they can't do the job 100% because of lack of planning, funds, training, and personnel. That now is trying to be fixed. However, it will be several years before increase trained personnel will be seen on the Border Patrol. What to do now is the question, and that is what I understand is what congress is trying to answer.

52 posted on 08/01/2005 6:34:58 AM PDT by AIC
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To: ZULU
What is going on now on the Mexican border is not a simple issue of illegal immigrants.

Its a case of an active conspiracy by a foreign power, i.e. Mexico, to violate our borders by encouraging their citizens, directing them, and providing them with active assistance to elude our border guards.

You raise a worthy point. Truth be told, a regime change is needed in Mexico. Check out this bit of information that I had had no previous knowledge about: The Real Racist Problem Behind Illegal Immigration .

Mexico has no reason for failing to provide a self-sufficient society. None whatsoever.


53 posted on 08/01/2005 6:40:25 AM PDT by rdb3 (I once had a handle on life, but I broke it.)
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To: AIC; Randi Papadoo
Thanx to both of you for making my point. Our Border Patrol, for all intents and purposes, is akin to a boxer who has to fight with his hands tied behind his back.


54 posted on 08/01/2005 6:43:10 AM PDT by rdb3 (I once had a handle on life, but I broke it.)
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To: rdb3

We need to choke off tourism to mexico.

Perhaps a super strong state department warning of "DO NOT GO."

It is long overdue that we need to see mexico for the bannana republic it really is.


55 posted on 08/01/2005 6:43:51 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory
It is long overdue that we need to see mexico for the bannana republic it really is.

Yes, you are correct. Please see my link in #53.


56 posted on 08/01/2005 6:46:59 AM PDT by rdb3 (I once had a handle on life, but I broke it.)
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To: rdb3

"I say, where is Emiliano Zapata when you need him? Where is Poncho Villa? Where are the leaders of the people, who will defend them against the careless, endless abuses of the generales in ciudad Mexico?"

One could say as much for the U.S.

I totally agree with that article. And that is also true not only in Mexico, but in many countries south of the border. The Revolutions which freed Latin American nations from Spain, did not free them fom the Spanish Europeans who concentrate power and wealth in their hands while they exploit the masses of their own people.

Even in the anti-Bellum American South, was not such a vast numerical disaprity between the ruling class and the social uunderclass as that which exists in Mexico and most South American Countries.

I think Argentina is an exception as the number of European Argentines is quiet high and the number of native American, black and Mestizo Argentines is relatively low.
It may also not be the case in Brazil, which, technically at any rate, is not an Hispanic American country anyway.


57 posted on 08/01/2005 6:49:36 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: rdb3
Why do I have the suspicion that other countries are involved in this?

CAFTA.

58 posted on 08/01/2005 6:52:54 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer - and some people polka)
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To: ZULU
That was eye-opening, wasn't it? Fox is just a ruler. He's not even Mexican. That's why he has no affinity for his people.


59 posted on 08/01/2005 6:54:10 AM PDT by rdb3 (I once had a handle on life, but I broke it.)
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To: Willie Green
It has absolutely nothing to do with CAFTA.


60 posted on 08/01/2005 6:55:15 AM PDT by rdb3 (I once had a handle on life, but I broke it.)
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