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To: rdb3
I have been following the border problem for a while now and my understanding as to why the armed forces have not been used is because they don't have arrest authority and would cause a bigger headache in the civil courts than it already is concerning the illegal immigrant problem. Also the SCOTUS have muck up the laws and process of the illegals that it is hard for civilian police to arrest illegals. The arrest ability of the illegals come under ICE or HLS unless the illegals are apprehended for a crime being committed. The way I have gotten to understand it is that according to U.S. Law no other law enforcement other than HLS or those attached to HLS can arrest an illegal for being illegal. Whenever an illegal is arrested for being illegal HLS always say let them go unless they are on some kind of list that they have.

As to the Border Patrol failing? I don't think the Border Patrol per se has failed but they can't do the job 100% because of lack of planning, funds, training, and personnel. That now is trying to be fixed. However, it will be several years before increase trained personnel will be seen on the Border Patrol. What to do now is the question, and that is what I understand is what congress is trying to answer.

52 posted on 08/01/2005 6:34:58 AM PDT by AIC
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To: AIC; Randi Papadoo
Thanx to both of you for making my point. Our Border Patrol, for all intents and purposes, is akin to a boxer who has to fight with his hands tied behind his back.


54 posted on 08/01/2005 6:43:10 AM PDT by rdb3 (I once had a handle on life, but I broke it.)
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To: AIC

Well, I can think of one possible solution to your issue of US Military being unable to "arrest" invaders under Posse Commitatus (which I opine needs to be revisited by the SCOTUS). But I very much doubt that it will ever happen.

Don't you ever wonder about that statement that these "Zeta" guys are all "deserters" from the Mexican military?

I've got to wonder if that's just a cover for a covert tactical military deployment under the full, albeit secretive auspices of the FOX Regime for US border penetration and creating internal chaos in preparation for a more significant invasion. Since they've been helping Jihaddists get into the US, don't we suppose that Islamic Jihad might reciprocate by assisting Mexico in it's ambitions?

Didn't Osamma BL consider drugs to be another weapon to be used against Europe and America? Did all those poppy fields in Afghanistan have anything to do with AlQuida setting up HQ there?

Are we seeing a certain connection here?

What we might need is a serious dust-up between Zetas and Federal Officers - which they seem to be reasonably adept at avoiding for some reason.
If Zeta casualties or captives could be directly linked to Mexican military, or that they had any kind of military support, we could then declare war on Mexico in response to their preemptive invasion of soverign US territory.

Then any "illeagals" - at least those caught under arms - could be considered "Enemy combattants"/POWs.

But you're right; that's a pipe dream.
The corruption probably goes a lot higher up the US administrative ladder than we would even care to consider.

What's more likely is that terrorists will blackmail the US with a nuke into ceding a good part of the SW US back to Mexico.

Then our undefended border will be West of Louisiana and Arkansas, and somewhere South of Nebraska.
Won't that be fun!?

Then extension of the Caliphate throughout "restored" Mexico will be deferred to another day; they have bigger fish to fry first.


63 posted on 08/01/2005 7:22:02 AM PDT by Uncle Jaque (Vigilance!)
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To: AIC

"However, it will be several years before increase trained personnel will be seen on the Border Patrol."

We don't have several years.


82 posted on 08/01/2005 10:55:45 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: AIC
I have been following the border problem for a while now and my understanding as to why the armed forces have not been used is because they don't have arrest authority and would cause a bigger headache in the civil courts than it already is concerning the illegal immigrant problem.

There's a simple solution for that. Just declare a one miles strip along the American side of the border to be a military zone, like a military base is. The military has full power to detain and arrest anyone trespassing on a military installation and has the power to expell them from there. Since they would be from Mexico, they could easily be expelled (or "deported" back to the other side). The military could patrol the strip of the border just like they do on any other military base and like the military does in most countries with militarized borders.


101 posted on 08/01/2005 4:34:42 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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