Posted on 07/31/2005 5:27:52 AM PDT by police
The principle of Al-Takeyya The Arabic word, "Takeyya", means "to prevent," or guard against. The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one's self or fellow Muslims. This principle gives Muslims the liberty to lie under circumstances that they perceive as life threatening. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts. Al-Takeyya is based on the following Quranic verse:
"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." Surah 3: 28
According to this verse a Muslim can pretend to befriend infidels (in violation of the teachings of Islam) and display adherence with their unbelief to prevent them from harming him.
Under the concept of Takeyya and short of killing another human being, if under the threat of force, it is legitimate for Muslims to act contrary to their faith. The following actions are acceptable:
Drink wine, abandon prayers, and skip fasting during Ramadan. Renounce belief in Allah. Kneel in homage to a deity other than Allah. Utter insincere oaths.
good article...all Americans need to know this as they watch our fawning MSM and our naive political leaders as they talk about "moderate" muslim leaders and the "religion of peace"
Religion comes from the word religare, which means "to restrain" or "tie back"...same word from which we get the word legislation. Religion, then, "RELIES" on a code of thought and behavior that instructs us how to behave when we have lost our way—something that can re-binds us, or ties us back once our fetters have been broken. Judaism and Christianity RELY on the Bible, and rely on the 10 Commandments...this is the mortor of the Judea/Christian religion...it doesn't change it does get twisted to meet daily goals like lying, or killing or maiming other people because of their FAITH.
To me Islam is a faith...with immas (sp) and such preaching to the faithless (remember the lost and lonely muslim youth in Europe), hate and murder...preaching fatwahs...fatwah is a type of faith that can only be backed by a CULT.
Islam is not a religion..it is a CULT that spun off of religion centuries ago and currently has faithless people bending to the evil will for the destruction of the Jews and non-believers...it is a Cult that has convinced many followers that it is a "living document"...that the words can be bent and changed upon a whim...upon a goal...to deceive, undermine or destroy anyone NOT following their cult's faith. Even other Muslims who don't engage in their "current" goals.
I do not accept Islam as a religion...it is a cult based upon the Bible...from centuries ago.
Islam's handbook thus provides a methodology to set up covert agents as advance troops for armies of conquest.
How can anybody consider this a religion? It is a militaristic ideology, nodifferent from Communism, but with a far more clever means of gaining and keeping the faithful.
I do not trust Muslims. My default position is that they are lying. They must convince me otherwise, and that's not going to be easy. I do not trust these wackos. They can all shove it.
Do you deny islam has a political system (sharia) as one of its fundamental cornerstones?
Do you agree with sharia?
Do you think sharia is compatible with democracy?
Ever lived under sharia? (I have as an expat Dhimmi)
How do you propose to stop it?
Perhaps someone can put a spin on this that isn't so difficult to accept in the light of modern accepted behavior.
BUMP!
These are the same people who live by the Koran. The Koran allows Muslims to lie if necessary to protect themselves as they go about their slaughtering of innocents in the name of Allah. Yet the ACLU wants the Koran to be allowed in courtrooms to be used as the Bible is when asking a witness to swear they will tell the truth.
Can these morons at the ACLU actually be that stupid or do they just believe everyone else is?
In the end when a person closes the Bible and when we learn from history especially Biblical history...we all know what is morally right and wrong based upon the Bible's teachings.
Can't do that with the "Koran" it is a "living document" where the rules can change any nano second...and the teachings are a noose of fear to anyone who questions it...
Islam is a cult riddled with brainwashing and fear tactics all in the name of destroying Jews, non-Muslims and any "muslim who gets in their way".
They make you sever ties with outsiders when you join to make you rely on the cult members for support and reinforce the perverted belief system "O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other..."
Their use of deception.
They make you give up your previous identity - like the way Muslim converts change their first and last (family) names.
The financial exploitation of its members. (zakat)
A tendency to promote to maleficent, anti-social or abusive behavior.
Holding its members captive and not letting them leave. In Islam, punishable by death.
It is true that Moslems can join the nearest convenient Christian church and remain Moslem. This would be done where there are no mosques or no appropriate mosques in the area. They can even let it be known they are Moslem if they wish.
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In contrast, for islam, see BIDAH for why a "true believer" and the salafis win the argument.
And then from the rest of Gods green earth.
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I don't see how at all this has anything to do with my question. What about Saul? How do you deal with this today? Saul sinned by not committing an atrocity. How do you make sense of this? Just choose to ignore it, because it's uncomfortable?
I think its relevant, especially in the light of this discussion about how Islam handles deceit wildly differently than Christianity or Judaism.
We find ourselves vulnerable to this sort of attack, because we assume folks generally believe in the same things we do. Obviously, this is not the case, at least on the surface. So, when a Cici Connolly said with great hope on Fox this morning that the recent Fatwa about terrorism and Islam was a step forward, one can reinterpret this as a tactical deception just the same. Who knows. I think this is why regimes in the Middle East can be horribly oppressive, you can't trust that someone isn't scamming you, if they see you as an "outsider."
In our society, this sort of behavior is reserved for criminal gangs and folks who have to live by their whits on the streets. And perhaps lawyers.
But to come back to my point, in the Old Testament, there are many examples of the extreme violence and intolerance that we see in the text of the Koran. Western Philosophy, conveniently steps away from the stark demands that turned a seeming act of humanity and compassion by King Saul into a grave sin, worthy of losing his right to the throne.
So to be effective, one has to look at the problem posed by Al-Takeyya. The challenge is to come up with responses to this behavior that do not involve repression. Because, the tactics are specifically designed to deal with repression and survive. I think this is the Wisdom of President Bush's push for Democracy.
Western Civilization keeps the old testament, but we just do not countenance the idea of killing every last member of our rivals, men, women and children. I see this as being there, and pushed with an exclamation point, yet it has been reinterpreted now and it is more possible than every for people of Christian faith to live with others in tolerance and celebration of gods gifts. At least for a time.
If Islam doesn't find a way to reinterpret and reform its aggressive aspects, I just do not see hope in ultimately avoiding a direct confrontation. This will occur when the other communities decide to resist the bullying and deceit coupled with clearly and openly disclosed ambitions to snuff out all other forms of faith.
I am only shocked at this point, that folks try do deny the flood of data that begins to show that Islam is a militarily aggressive religion, and that the struggle of Jihad ultimately pits this faith against all other civilizations in the world.
In Iran, where the government is openly declaring support for Terrorism, for military Jihad, for development of Nuclear Weapons and ultimately for Massive and Sustained Repression based on Islam which seems to rival the Taliban but on a scale unseen so far in the Middle East, we have to understand, that the War is just in its opening phases, rather than the end game.
The roots of Islamic terrorism from The International Herald Tribune July 28, 2005
Unfortunately, reading someone else virtually saying the same thing that I feel about this, makes me alot more pessimistic.
Ever had one of those experiences?
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