Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Fred Barnes: Bush Hadta Have CAFTA (The lame duck wins again)
The Weekly Standard ^ | August 8, 2005 | Fred Barnes

Posted on 07/30/2005 6:49:32 PM PDT by RWR8189

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140 ... 401-404 next last
To: Stellar Dendrite
If the founding fathers were alive today and formed a political party, the republicans would appear to be socialist light compared to them. If you can't see why, then YOU are too dumb to vote!

It is not a choice between what we have and what we want. It is a choice between what we have and something much, much, worse. As I said, if Hillaryski and the Democrats gain the Presidency and more it will be the end of this country period. Surely you know what they did last time and under Carter before that and LBJ before that and FDR before that. Do you want more of that? That is what you will get if you abandon the Republicans.

Do you approve of 50% more funding for socialist education, the most dangerous propaganda machine ever? Do you like having the homosexual lobby work just like the ACLU just to promote their propaganda and indoctrinate these kids? There shouldn't be ANY public schools! Dissolve the NEA.

No, I don't approve of the increase in the education bill but along with it we got accountability. The teachers and the NEA are squealing like pigs now and most schools are improving in their basic function. Neither the president nor the federal government have control over all that is taught in local schools beyond a certain base curriculum. Neither the president nor the federal Republicans can do anything about the NEA.

As I say about you and those like you, Keyboard Rambos is what I call you, it is easy to sit behind your computer and spout off and demand things that aren't politically possible, no matter how much you and I may want them. Eliminating public schools is one of them. Eliminating the NEA is another. I hate, just as you do, the state of our public schools. They are Communists propaganda machines as you say. I hate the homosexual agenda but I don't think it is going on in my area. To think this last education bill did all that is foolish. That has been going on a long time, before Bush took office for sure.

However, just shouting about it may help you and it may motivate others to do something about it too, but until then don't throw out the good just because it is not perfect in your eyes. Compare it to the options. The only true option is Hillary.

Do you prefer Reid to Frist? None of us is happy with Frist nor were we happy with Lott, but Reid? Come on! What about Pelosi over DeLay? Carry that comparison all the way down the line.

Do you approve of a prescription drug entitlement? More socialism, another program in which costs will rise every year. Once you give the sheeple an entitlement, you cannot take it away. Just like social security....it should not exist!

No, I don't approve of any of it. Now, Rambo, snap your fingers and make it go away! Do you approve of Hillary Care? Daycare for all so that the propaganda can start while they are toddlers? Higher taxes to kill our economy? Gutting the military again? Giving our latest military technology to our enemies? Zero control of the borders? Zero war on terror? Complete socialization?

If you are dreaming of some third party choice, forget it. If you are saying we need to vote for someone else just to teach the Republicans a lesson you are electing the Communists whether you like to own up to it or not.

Do you approve of forgiving billions of african debt?

I didn't approve of lending it to them in the first place. Just as we do all over the world, it is throwing money away. Worse than that it is helping those who are creating the problem. Yet, now that it is done, they are never going to pay it back anyway and saddling them with such a tremendous burden eliminates any chance of them digging out of the hole they are in so what is lost by forgiving something you are never going to see anyway?

Do you approve of the open borders? How do you feel about the senate defeating a bill 60-40 that would give us more agents on the border?

No, I don't approve of open borders but I prefer the present situation to the Clintons encouraging illegals to come here and eliminating any FBI background checks so they could register to vote in time for the elections, illegally. That is the point I am making. It is not a choice between perfect and so-so, it is a choice between so-so and suicide.

Do you approve of Bush giving $50 million to terrorist scum like Abbas, a planner in the 1972 Munich Massacre?

I don't know. That is a very convoluted situation. I think Bush is giving the PLO enough rope to hang themselves and it is all a part of a broader ME agenda. They agreed to the Bush Road Map and Sharon is making sure that Israel sticks to their part of the deal. The uproar over abandoning the West Bank and the Gaza Strip is because that is part of the road map and Sharon is sticking to it because he promised Bush he would. Now that the PLO has agreed to certain terms, again, if they don't stick to it this time or ever again in the future, Katy bar the door. Palestinian state or no, they will be history. That is the true purpose of the Road Map.

Its unfortunate that you have to use that argument simply when someone doesn't march lockstep with the Republican party. My views are way way to the right of yours, I can guess that.

Yes it is. I get extremely impatient with you Keyboard Rambos who like to just shout out solutions which have no chance in Hell of happening, at least under the present circumstances, no matter how much you or I would like them. And to then turn on your best hope, perhaps your last best hope, of them eventually happening is so foolish as to be infuriating. It is obvious that abandoning the Republican Party is to elect Democrats. Whether you are working on behalf of the Democrats, as I fully believe some are, or not is immaterial. The results will be the same.

There will be a Republican primary with many to choose from. Pick your favorite and support them all you can. If they win, good. If not, don't go off and sulk and end this great experiment in human governance.

101 posted on 07/31/2005 3:39:19 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: jeremiah

What's the point? Are you enjoying some sophmoric philosophical riddle? Stop wasting people's time.


102 posted on 07/31/2005 3:41:33 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: FreeReign
Close cooperation with the CAFTA countries is vital for securing who gets into this country.

None of the CAFTA countries are on our border. How does this equate to borde security? What a stretch.

103 posted on 07/31/2005 4:02:00 AM PDT by raybbr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Torie
Protectionism won't ever be enacted on the fruited plain (it will kill us), so make your plans accordingly.

To listen to guys like you, we needed CAFTA to eliminat "protectionist" ideas and laws. How is it that we are the greatest economy in the history of the world? It certainly hasn't "killed us"?

104 posted on 07/31/2005 4:04:40 AM PDT by raybbr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: mmercier
Guatemalans here have been eating my lunch for years. I'm a carpenter. Before this trade, I worked for DEC, and exported our production to Mexico and Malaysia. We all feel the pain. Retarding others ability to conduct willing lawful exchanges of goods and services is not going to help anything. The more free trade, the more prosperity to all those parties involved. I cant believe some of these CAFTA threads.

I omitted the paragraphs for brevity but I wanted to say hooray for you and your attitude. You will do well no matter where you are, as I am sure you know.

105 posted on 07/31/2005 4:08:59 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Miss Marple

You think they'd learn.


106 posted on 07/31/2005 4:09:44 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Mind-numbed Robot

Thank you for an excellent explanation of the political situation we find ourselves in.


107 posted on 07/31/2005 4:17:11 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Karl Rove is Plame-proof.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 101 | View Replies]

To: jeremiah
A 2 bedroom 1 bath house is going for $200,000 now just about anywhere.

Not in Texas. Wait, I shouldn't say that. We don't need any more immigrants.

The problem isn't moving to a different state where conditions are more favorable to employment, it is accepting a less than minimum wage job.

As others have said to you, it ain't necessarily so. It all depends on what YOU bring to the market place.

I have no problem with work, or money. I am a painting contractor, and am independent and busy.

With your attitude and knowledge of the market, that is amazing. Good for you.

I can see the day when landscapers and painter et al, will be low paid jobs. The solution is to become large enough to command a bigger market share, I realize that.

Is that sort of like losing money on every sale but making it up in volume?

How about those working under me? Shall their wages dip below $10 and hour? $7? How about $5?

Isn't that up to you?

There are people in Mexico that will do the job nearly as well as a journeyman painter in the US, but for 1/4 the cost. Is my obligation to my workers? Or to the almighty dollar.

Another personal choice on your part.

A Dickensian answer, is to the bottom line, of course that was before the revelations in "A Christmas Carol".

All answer to the bottom line, like it or not, sooner or later. Attempts to thwart that only delay it and screw up several more things in the process. Life ain't fair sounds cruel but it is just. However, it sounds like you are looking for mercy instead of justice.

108 posted on 07/31/2005 4:57:23 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 87 | View Replies]

To: SupplySider
With lower taxes, tariffs, and regulations, private capital would be better rewarded for innovation and risk-taking, and we'd get more of them. That would produce the products and services and jobs of the future. Reagan's tax cuts and Milkin's alternative bond market fueled a tech expansion that created many of the jobs we're now worrying about. That will happen again, in unpredictable ways, if we reduce government restrictions further.

The transitions can of course be very painful, but going forward is the only way. With information technology and a liquid global capital market, it's now a very small world. We will never keep two billion Indians and Chinese on farms.

Well said. Changes here at home would put us way ahead of the world again. What got us here are the policies of the left, our declared enemies. They have done a good job of handicapping this racehorse with added weight. Unfortunately for them, this is a better horse than they thought. Now remove the weight and watch him go.

109 posted on 07/31/2005 5:05:12 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 96 | View Replies]

To: Miss Marple
Thank you for an excellent explanation of the political situation we find ourselves in.

Why, you are welcome, Miss Marple. Anything for an old friend like you. :-)

110 posted on 07/31/2005 5:14:52 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 107 | View Replies]

To: jeremiah
A 2 bedroom 1 bath house is going for $200,000 now just about anywhere.

Interesting. A 2/1 house only costs about $60,000 where I live.

111 posted on 07/31/2005 6:28:41 AM PDT by blueberry12
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 87 | View Replies]

To: WOSG
see #55

Ok. I got it now.

Somebody cited that CAFTA is a 24000-page document. Is that true??? Is it online? I would like to download it. Can somebody please give me a link.

112 posted on 07/31/2005 6:42:50 AM PDT by blueberry12
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]

To: mmercier
These CAFTA threads are tedious and disappointing.

I love 'em. I use them to entertain myself.

Good article, btw. I'm not a huge fan of Mr. Barnes, but he nicely sums it all up.

113 posted on 07/31/2005 6:45:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 59 | View Replies]

To: blueberry12; jeremiah
Somebody cited that CAFTA is a 24000-page document. Is that true?

Not even close. My recollection is that it is close to 1000 pages, but I've never seen the actual number. Best resource for CAFTA is here.

114 posted on 07/31/2005 7:00:24 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 112 | View Replies]

To: blueberry12

>> They oppose CAFTA because it gives people more freedom--the freedom to trade. Democrats are against freedom. They want more and more regulations.

There is nothing free about Free Trade (so-called). If it was free it would not require mountains of regulations to enforce it.

BTW, free trade was traditionally a liberal ideology, with traditional conservatives in opposition. It's adoption by modern-day 'neoconservatives' does not in any way make it a conservative position.


115 posted on 07/31/2005 7:06:55 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau ("The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork." -- Psalms 19:1)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: PhilipFreneau

Listen, if you use the prefix "neo," it's ok to use "paleo."


116 posted on 07/31/2005 7:09:01 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 115 | View Replies]

To: Stellar Dendrite
I have an interesting and educational exercise for you. Try re-reading that Marx quote, paraphrase it into your own words, and then ask yourself, do I agree or disagree with him?

My opinion is that if you agree with him, you're probably at the wrong website.

117 posted on 07/31/2005 7:17:20 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | View Replies]

To: Dane

Isn't that Harken with Kerry?


118 posted on 07/31/2005 8:10:09 AM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: RWR8189

I like Fred Barnes. :)


119 posted on 07/31/2005 8:11:35 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: OldFriend
Isn't that Harken with Kerry(and ortega)?

Yep.

120 posted on 07/31/2005 8:12:26 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 118 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140 ... 401-404 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson