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More American Retirees Seek Havens Abroad
NYTimes ^ | 7/30/05 | Hillary Chura

Posted on 07/30/2005 1:36:02 PM PDT by qam1

These days, some Americans heading for retirement are as concerned with pesos as pensions, and foreign language classes as Medicare. They are part of an emerging population expecting to spend their retirement abroad.

In January, baby boomers will start hitting 60 at a rate of more than four million a year. More mobile, active and adventuresome than prior generations, these 78 million Americans are rethinking retirement. Many will be lured overseas by a more affordable cost of living and temperate weather. Some will want to return to their native countries or to places where they once worked or studied.

Coreen Plewa and her husband, James, plan to move to Mexico in four years. They say they adore their home in Santa Fe, N.M., but will not be able to make ends meet once Mr. Plewa retires from teaching high school math. The Plewas and about 10 like-minded people have been meeting to discuss moves to Latin America.

"This is not like, 'I've got to get out of this hole,' " said Mrs. Plewa, who believes health care costs in the United States could eat up 40 percent of the couple's estimated $4,000 to $5,000 monthly retirement income. "We think our dime will go further."

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Mexico, Costa Rica and Panama are common retirement havens, but Nicaragua, Honduras, Ecuador and English-speaking Belize are making a push to attract retirees. Various countries in Europe are also viable alternatives, but current exchange rates make them less attractive for those with limited resources......

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Mexico
KEYWORDS: babyboomers; byebye; expats; genx; retirement; seniors
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To: jwh_Denver

You pay US Income Taxes no matter where you live, as long as you are a US Citizen.


61 posted on 07/30/2005 4:58:54 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Triggerhippie

Yes. Forget about high quality medical care in the Third World.

But what about 10 years from now building an enclosing, heated dome over some ghost town on the Great Plains and turning it into an all-weather retirement community ? That has been a theory of mine.


62 posted on 07/30/2005 4:59:25 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: JimSEA
Thanks for all that good information! Very informative post about living in Thailand.

My wife is Filipino, and sometimes we give thought to retiring somewhere else later. The Philippines is not particularly attractive (even though her family is there), because the government is corrupt from the top to the very bottom, and very unstable at the top right now. So Philippines is not a viable option.

One thing in your post I didn't understand, you said in Thailand, a condo costs about $50K US, but you said your new 3bd home incl furnishings cost $30.5K. Why would the home be less expensive than the condo?

63 posted on 07/30/2005 5:11:49 PM PDT by Babu
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To: qam1

Thailand and the Phillipines are a pretty big for retiring military.


64 posted on 07/30/2005 5:28:59 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Raaargh! Raaargh! Crush, Stomp!)
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To: OldFriend
Medicare takes about $60 a month out of the social security check and MediGap costs less than $200 per month.

I should look up MediGap, since I've never heard of it. My father is in his 90's and Mom is in her mid 80's and you're right on with the $60 per month out of SSI....they have a Blue Cross supplemental which has a monthly premium of $396; in the year since I've taken over handling their affairs, the only check I've written to a doctor was their dentist.

65 posted on 07/30/2005 5:51:22 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: ErnBatavia
Ain't NO health plan that's gonna cost 'em 20 to 25,000 zops a year, copays included.

We just dropped my health insurance from Humanna. It was going to cost my wife and I some $21,000 per year plus co-pays. We are both in our in our early 50's and have reasonable expenses of about 3500 per year.

66 posted on 07/30/2005 6:40:59 PM PDT by Investment Biker
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To: JimSEA
I have also heard that non-Thai's must leave the country and then reenter to keep their tourist visa active. I have looked at Bumrungrad (an American certified and accredited hospital) and their expenses and it is all very reasonable. My daughter had some dental work done their and the quality was perfect. She visited Chiang Mai and liked it very much but liked Bangkok better.
67 posted on 07/30/2005 6:48:50 PM PDT by Investment Biker
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To: Investment Biker
If you have a non-imigrant retiree or family visa, you are in better shape. The retiree visa requires you to have 800,000 Bht (22000 USD) one time a year and you can get a multiple entry visa. The spouse visa, requires the non Thai to have 400,000 bht in the bank one a year. You have to go to immigration every three months to pay your bribe and get your visa stamped. However you do not have to leave and get your reentry tourist visa once a month that way.

Bangkok is more exciting but we are old folk with many friends in the North generally.

68 posted on 07/30/2005 7:08:33 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Babu

The condo is more expensive because it can be sold to foreigners who, as everyone knows, are rich. :)


69 posted on 07/30/2005 7:10:35 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: qam1

We've retired on the Colorado River and we couldn't be happier. Of course, I retired at 46, so what's to be unhappy about!!!


70 posted on 07/30/2005 7:16:31 PM PDT by Hildy ("You miss 100% of the shots you never take." - Wayne Gretzky)
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To: Investment Biker
Humanna. It was going to cost my wife and I some $21,000 per year

Holy Toledo! You gotta SHOP, man! Get an agent to do it for you, and he'll do it gladly.

I've always been "sensitive" to health care insurance, because I have never had or been involved in any sort of company plan - it's always been strictly 'out of pocket'.

We're both 58, and would be paying around 9000 bucks had we not downgraded to a higher deductible plan earlier this year. Somebody's hosing you, bigtime from what I read.

71 posted on 07/30/2005 7:57:07 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: Graves
Now if I only knew how to speak Georgian...

You know most Georgians speak English, and most of the signs are in Georgian and English. You can do just fine in Tbilisi with English only. I did. Even a last minute taxi I grabbed to the hotel one day was amazingly efficient, as the man sat there and thought for a moment about what I had said, and then figured out what I was asking.

That said I am going to be learning Georgian.

72 posted on 07/30/2005 11:04:42 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: joshhiggins
I was in Georgia visiting my brother last may. Most people there kinda talk english which is nice. Especially in Atlanta where my brother lives, I met quite a few Americans who spoke English.

You were probably being funny, but I was referring to the Republic of Georgia.

73 posted on 07/30/2005 11:05:49 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: ovrtaxt
Lots of mountain properties in golf communities. You can own several, hire a management company to rent it out to Atlanta golfers, and at least break even while the values appreciate.

Oh gosh, you are so kind. I was referring to the Republic of Georgia. Outside of Tbilisi.

74 posted on 07/30/2005 11:08:47 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: DumpsterDiver; The_Reader_David

I'd knock down the castle, but keep the pool area. The actual castle is a-s ugly.


75 posted on 07/30/2005 11:11:45 PM PDT by Clemenza (Life Ain't Fair, GET OVER IT!)
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To: qam1

Dominican Republic or Argentina for me. More likely the latter.


76 posted on 07/30/2005 11:12:28 PM PDT by Clemenza (Life Ain't Fair, GET OVER IT!)
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To: WildTurkey
Before you move, go house-hunting for a few weeks in August.

Have you been to Georgia?

77 posted on 07/30/2005 11:13:28 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: qam1

That is what we are planning to do. Retire overseas - most likely in China. The big concern is medical care as we get older - I imagine that will be a concern when you get to retirement age.

But, the cost of living is so much less. Take a nest egg with you and you can live great, unlike in the U.S. where you get eaten alive with bills and contemplate if dog food for dinner would really taste so bad.


78 posted on 07/30/2005 11:15:57 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: JimSEA

Health care would be the major concern for me. Where can one obtain the best medical care?


79 posted on 07/30/2005 11:16:08 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
This is not as new as one might think. The elite of this country have done this for generations.

The elite - it seems to me an option far more suited to the less well off.

80 posted on 07/30/2005 11:17:02 PM PDT by BJungNan
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